Hardeight - 31 January 2011 05:36 AM

Darkness - 31 January 2011 02:54 AM

Ok, paranoid people…

“Legit” Casinos would be stupid to actually cheat the game nowadays - they would stand to lose a lot more than if they just let the game run on it’s own.  The business penalties are just too great.  Besides, it’s a negative expectation game in favor of the casinos.  The payouts are never with true odds so the casino can make money on every bet.  The craps pit is usually the highest money maker in a casino next to the slots - why do they need to cheat a game that they already make a lot of money on legitimately?

Besides, if there was a bias at the table or with the dice, that bias is available to both the casino and the shooter/bettor.  Hey, if they’re gonna have a “big red” biased table, I know I could make a ton of money….a biased game is actually good.

If you are a “true” DI - you should be doing like the other pro’s and focus on your Darkside play with the all seven set during the point cycle and a 2V or cross6 or straight6 during the come-out while shooting at a $25 or higher table - you’re shooting to “throw” the game and collect.  By playing at a higher minimum table, you’ll probably be the only shooter which means you’ll keep getting the dice back to conjure “Big Red” again.  If you’re good at keeping the table cold, you probably won’t have too many people who will want to join your game and slow it down.

ok naive person….you just cant answer how is it that the regular good shooters are sevening out so much and all these beginners are doing so well?Yesterday I was at a table with two other good shooting regulars these guys are “chuckers” I call them they stack the dice and chuck them in the air.The most rolls we had was 5 and we combined for 5 seven outs on the first roll?You cant be so stupid?We all are slumping at the same time?In another post I said this guy hit for 15,000 last week and I think that has something to do with it.They can alter the game at certain times and make it “seem” random.Of course any smart casino isnt going to cheat ALL THE TIME but once in a while?....YES

They can make a beginner look like a pro how do you think they get them to come back?If A watcher sees this they say “well if they can do it so can I"They dont need the old regular shooters when they can easily bring up a new batch and repeat the cycle.

Hardeight, I second that! Lol. There are times I’ll row for 30 minutes, then the next day shoot the exact same spot in the same way, and I’ll be the worst shooter there.

jeremiahj - 08 February 2011 10:13 AM

Hardeight, I second that! Lol. There are times I’ll row for 30 minutes, then the next day shoot the exact same spot in the same way, and I’ll be the worst shooter there.

That’s called “random”!
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

goatcabin - 09 February 2011 12:49 AM

jeremiahj - 08 February 2011 10:13 AM

Hardeight, I second that! Lol. There are times I’ll row for 30 minutes, then the next day shoot the exact same spot in the same way, and I’ll be the worst shooter there.

That’s called “random”!
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

For the last time if you NEVER been to the Sugarhouse dont tell me what goes on there.Its the first casino in a major city and of course its a new casino so they have the latest technology to cheat.Most of you dont know anything about physics if you roll dice in a magnetic field its path will alter and its a more curvy movement.I can tell the difference.Anyone who goes to SugarHouse watch the dice very closely

Anyone who wants to meet me there sometime I will show you what I mean.

Thanks Jerimiah…Goatcabin lives in California so he doesnt know squat about how it is if hes never been here…they play craps with cards over there?

I was just sharing my experience, I have a lot of respect for Goatcabin, he’s a very knowledgeable guy with many years under his belt, I can learn a lot from him.
I would meet you there hardeight if I could gamble there… still gotta wait 2 long years before I can gamble anywhere I want… :(

jeremiahj - 09 February 2011 09:50 AM

I was just sharing my experience, I have a lot of respect for Goatcabin, he’s a very knowledgeable guy with many years under his belt, I can learn a lot from him.
I would meet you there hardeight if I could gamble there… still gotta wait 2 long years before I can gamble anywhere I want… :(

I am sure he does but he lives in California and I am sure he has never been to the East Coast its a totally different animal over here.I just stick to what I know so far I have only been to Parx and Sugarhouse.I still have yet to go to AC but you dont hear me talking about casinos I never been to.Thats what people on this do they think they know ALL ABOUT THE GAME but its in your part of the country.They need to realize that they may know the game but its ran differently in different casinos.

Ok Hardeight.  Are there any hotels near the Sugarhouse?  I gotta get out there sometime and see this.  I’ve spoken with people from the east coast and they do say that there is a rudeness there (on both sides of the table) that would get dealers fired for, or customers ejected for, in Vegas and most other areas.  other than that, I haven’t heard of any difference in how the game is run.  Actually, California is the only state where craps is played differently (with cards).
Anyway, my curiosity is up, I gotta see this for myself.  What hotels are close by?

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

Dont tell me what goes on there.Its the first casino in a major city and of course its a new casino so they have the latest technology to cheat.Most of you dont know anything about physics if you roll dice in a magnetic field its path will alter and its a more curvy movement.I can tell the difference.Anyone who goes to SugarHouse watch the dice very closely

I can’t wait. I’m gassing up my car for the short drive. In the meantime, can you tell us how you’ve been faring betting on that ever-present seven or the too-often seven out?

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

For the last time if you NEVER been to the Sugarhouse dont tell me what goes on there.Its the first casino in a major city and of course its a new casino so they have the latest technology to cheat.Most of you dont know anything about physics if you roll dice in a magnetic field its path will alter and its a more curvy movement.I can tell the difference.Anyone who goes to SugarHouse watch the dice very closely.

This is hilarious! (Imagine the “Twilight Zone” theme.) Suppose the dice were affected by a (putative) magnetic field. They would still hit the table and the pyramids, randomizing the result.

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

Thanks Jerimiah…Goatcabin lives in California so he doesnt know squat about how it is if hes never been here…they play craps with cards over there?

Yes. And the results are also random. Actually, the way they play at Cache Creek, my local casino, probably provides more opportunity for them to cheat, because they could sneak an extra seven into the deck. However, when they change decks, they spread them out so everyone can see all 36 cards.

BTW, I have also played lots of craps in Nevada.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

goatcabin - 09 February 2011 02:36 PM

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

For the last time if you NEVER been to the Sugarhouse dont tell me what goes on there.Its the first casino in a major city and of course its a new casino so they have the latest technology to cheat.Most of you dont know anything about physics if you roll dice in a magnetic field its path will alter and its a more curvy movement.I can tell the difference.Anyone who goes to SugarHouse watch the dice very closely.

This is hilarious! (Imagine the “Twilight Zone” theme.) Suppose the dice were affected by a (putative) magnetic field. They would still hit the table and the pyramids, randomizing the result.

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

Thanks Jerimiah…Goatcabin lives in California so he doesnt know squat about how it is if hes never been here…they play craps with cards over there?

Yes. And the results are also random. Actually, the way they play at Cache Creek, my local casino, probably provides more opportunity for them to cheat, because they could sneak an extra seven into the deck. However, when they change decks, they spread them out so everyone can see all 36 cards.

BTW, I have also played lots of craps in Nevada.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

Hey moron Las Vegas isnt on the East Coast.You know nothing about physics either.Its the same principle as electric football that I had when I was a kid.You have plastic players attached to magnets and their course is altered by the electric current.The current and the magnets already in the table that can be turned on and off by a switch can alter the dice.They have this for the expert dice controllers

Southern-Comfort - 09 February 2011 11:25 AM

Ok Hardeight.  Are there any hotels near the Sugarhouse?  I gotta get out there sometime and see this.  I’ve spoken with people from the east coast and they do say that there is a rudeness there (on both sides of the table) that would get dealers fired for, or customers ejected for, in Vegas and most other areas.  other than that, I haven’t heard of any difference in how the game is run.  Actually, California is the only state where craps is played differently (with cards).
Anyway, my curiosity is up, I gotta see this for myself.  What hotels are close by?

Take your pick there are plenty

Southern-Comfort - 09 February 2011 11:25 AM

Ok Hardeight.  Are there any hotels near the Sugarhouse?  I gotta get out there sometime and see this.  I’ve spoken with people from the east coast and they do say that there is a rudeness there (on both sides of the table) that would get dealers fired for, or customers ejected for, in Vegas and most other areas.  other than that, I haven’t heard of any difference in how the game is run.  Actually, California is the only state where craps is played differently (with cards).
Anyway, my curiosity is up, I gotta see this for myself.  What hotels are close by?

Yes from the only two casinos I been at…yes many ofthe dealers are so sarcastic but I am a smart ass myself so I put them in their place.Even the pit boss will sit there and harass you if you are throwing numbers at times to throw you off.Then they expect tips?After they try to con you out of your winnings.You have to watch them at all times.

goatcabin - 09 February 2011 02:36 PM

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

For the last time if you NEVER been to the Sugarhouse dont tell me what goes on there.Its the first casino in a major city and of course its a new casino so they have the latest technology to cheat.Most of you dont know anything about physics if you roll dice in a magnetic field its path will alter and its a more curvy movement.I can tell the difference.Anyone who goes to SugarHouse watch the dice very closely.

This is hilarious! (Imagine the “Twilight Zone” theme.) Suppose the dice were affected by a (putative) magnetic field. They would still hit the table and the pyramids, randomizing the result.

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 09:06 AM

Thanks Jerimiah…Goatcabin lives in California so he doesnt know squat about how it is if hes never been here…they play craps with cards over there?

Yes. And the results are also random. Actually, the way they play at Cache Creek, my local casino, probably provides more opportunity for them to cheat, because they could sneak an extra seven into the deck. However, when they change decks, they spread them out so everyone can see all 36 cards.

BTW, I have also played lots of craps in Nevada.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

Well playing with cards would make it seem too statistical, are there any hot streaks in your time playing craps with cards?

Its the same principle as electric football that I had when I was a kid.You have plastic players attached to magnets and their course is altered by the electric current.The current and the magnets already in the table that can be turned on and off by a switch can alter the dice.They have this for the expert dice controllers

Ok, Hardeight.  You talk about people not knowing (add whatever your point is), but you are limiting yourself by not lisyening and thinking you know. Assume, for a moment, that the things you are blaming on cheating have an explainable cause. No, no.. just let you imagination roam for a second and go with me on this.  I’m (at least) a third generation gambler and I’ve seen plenty.  I oen a 14ft craps table that came from a casino.  There was not a single electronic nor magnetic device on it when I got it.  No cords to plug in and no batteries.  Craps is all… ALL physical.  When you see the dice veer to the left after hitting the surface, you most likely delivered the dice at a sharp angle.  If your shooting is as well developed as you say it is, when the sevens hit constantly its probably due to double-pitches (thats my own demon as well).  If I remember correctly, you once said you use the thumb and one finger… try three.  Try it… pincher with pressure and light but even toching with the other two.  Make sure you are standing somewhat erect (as much as you can anyway) ans hold your breath before and during your toss. You are the fulcrum and you don’t need to go all suishy during a throw by breathing during it.  Aim at the spot on the table where you want the dice to hit, do not look at the wall. 
And if you’re seeing something going wrong the the results, feel free to tell us about it and maybe we can help figure it out.
But there are no magnets on a craps table (and even if there were, the dice are not magnetic anyway).  A casino could get shut down real fast for using cheating devices.
I’m not trying to offend you, I’m trying to help you.

Hardeight you are still new to the casino, so try to have an open mind and listen to what they are telling you. Now far as cheating goes, it does happen quite often in the casinos, but usually not the casino .
The casino will make mistakes quite often, it’s not because they’re trying to cheat anyone but rather the inexperience in the dealer or just plain human error.
Players have brought loaded dice to the casinos before in the past. They have also slid 1 dice across the table and made heavy prop bets. And another one is tossing cash onto the field and saying nothing.  this list goes on and on and is usually worked on the weak dealers on the crap table.
Many dealers and box persons have been arrested for cheating on the tables. They would usually pay off their buddies on the table. Some have been caught putting high-value chip in their mouth or cupping the chip in their hands.
If you still believe that there cheating, then try this:
when you feel that dice is loaded than bet against the players. All dice in the casino have a matching number, usually a three or four digit number for that table. So when they change the dice for no reason get back to your usual game. Good luck and have fun.

Hardeight - 09 February 2011 04:26 PM

Hey moron Las Vegas isnt on the East Coast.

Not sure whether to pursue a simple question with someone who has difficulty understanding why he wins on lay bets (versus someone who has posted hundreds of explicitly explanatory posts here and elsewhere), I would like to ask anew for reports and results from the front on any changes in strategy to work on the purported “cheating.” Lacking that, it can only be concluded that despite all the posts and assertons no action has been taken.