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Is dealer school a really a requirement?
Posted: 16 June 2011 02:20 PM   [ Ignore ]
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When I was at Parx the dealer acted like she didnt know what was happening and the pit boss was telling her what to do.I had just put my money in the DC and the guy rolls an 11 and she was going to pay me but the boss said I lost.I assumed they taught you ever game at dealer school or maybe they just hired this lady without any kind of training?

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Posted: 16 June 2011 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hardeight - 16 June 2011 02:20 PM

When I was at Parx the dealer acted like she didnt know what was happening and the pit boss was telling her what to do.I had just put my money in the DC and the guy rolls an 11 and she was going to pay me but the boss said I lost.I assumed they taught you ever game at dealer school or maybe they just hired this lady without any kind of training?

Obviously / apparently you encountered a ” novice ” dealer - one just fresh out of Dealer School - who was getting his/her cherries busted at the table -

Stop and think for a moment -

On the player side - we are only required to be responsible for our own bets -

If we do not know what is trhe correct increment that we need to place on the table to increase our odds bets, our place bets, our odds on the come bets -

Who do we ask -

Surely not the moron next to you -

Certainly not the boxman ( NOW THAT WE KNOW WHO HE IS )  -

Alas - It is the dealer -

The dealer has to be able in an instant - be able to calculate how much money is needed to take your wager - ” Up a Unit ” - or to know how much in needed to ” Press It ” -

All this needs to occur quickly and seemlessly - as any errors would cause a delay in the game - which translates to the casino as lost $$$$$$$$$$$$ -

The dealers task is something that I do not think that I could perform consistantly and without error not for the eight hour shift that are required to work - I doubt if I could make it through 1 roll of the dice !

Everyone has a beginning - where they need to be led by the hand and shown the difference from ” book sense ” to ” street smart ” -

My opinion -

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Posted: 17 June 2011 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

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Posted: 17 June 2011 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Dealer school at one of the CT. casino’s is 12 weeks ; the textbook is comprehensive.

As a dealer, your hourly wage goes up as the number of games you can deal goes up. The hourly wage is very low for a dealer and a 75% of their hourly wage is made up of tips.


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Posted: 17 June 2011 11:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Hardeight - 17 June 2011 07:32 AM

OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

Does she know to fix the dice?

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Posted: 17 June 2011 11:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Sancho Panza - 17 June 2011 11:06 AM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 07:32 AM

OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

Does she know to fix the dice?

FYI no one at the table has nothing to do with controlling the dice.“Its done by a goblin hiding in their dungeon”

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Posted: 17 June 2011 05:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Hardeight - 17 June 2011 11:57 AM
Sancho Panza - 17 June 2011 11:06 AM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 07:32 AM

OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

Does she know to fix the dice?

FYI no one at the table has nothing to do with controlling the dice.  “Its done by a goblin hiding in their dungeon”

And it’s off we go - into the wild blue yonder - flying high dooby dooby doo - into the wild blue yonder ......


And that’s as far as I’m going with this one -

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Posted: 17 June 2011 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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basicstrategy777 - 17 June 2011 07:56 AM

Dealer school at one of the CT. casino’s is 12 weeks ; the textbook is comprehensive.

As a dealer, your hourly wage goes up as the number of games you can deal goes up. The hourly wage is very low for a dealer and a 75% of their hourly wage is made up of tips.


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The minimun federal wage rate is currently in the vicinity of $7 - $8 per hour if not more -

I have never payed minimun wage rates to my employees -

Therefore I do not know for sure what the $ is -

Do not casino table game dealers make federal minimun wages at the least ?

If not how are they allowed to circumvent the law ?

Tips are not considered as ” wages ”  - they are above and beyond your hourly stipend -

Also, they are not ” guaranteed ” to materialize -

Whereas, your hourly wage is ” gauranteed ” and required to be at the minimun level at the least !

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Posted: 17 June 2011 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 06:22 PM
basicstrategy777 - 17 June 2011 07:56 AM

Dealer school at one of the CT. casino’s is 12 weeks ; the textbook is comprehensive.

As a dealer, your hourly wage goes up as the number of games you can deal goes up. The hourly wage is very low for a dealer and a 75% of their hourly wage is made up of tips.


777

The minimun federal wage rate is currently in the vicinity of $7 - $8 per hour if not more -

I have never payed minimun wage rates to my employees -

Therefore I do not know for sure what the $ is -

Do not casino table game dealers make federal minimun wages at the least ?

If not how are they allowed to circumvent the law ?

Tips are not considered as ” wages ”  - they are above and beyond your hourly stipend -

Also, they are not ” guaranteed ” to materialize -

Whereas, your hourly wage is ” gauranteed ” and required to be at the minimun level at the least !

TIPPED EMPLOYEES

An employer of a tipped employee is required to pay only $ 2. 13 an hour in direct wages if (1) that amount plus tips equals at least the minimum wage, (2) the employee keeps all tips, and (3) the employee regularly receives at least $ 30 a month in tips. If the employee’s tips do not bring his pay up to the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. When an employee is subject to both state and federal tipped employee wage laws, the employee is entitled to the benefits provided by the more generous law. (Connecticut tip wage law creates a $ 4. 88 minimum wage for waiters and other service employees, and $ 6. 33 for bartenders. )

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Posted: 17 June 2011 07:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Southern-Comfort - 17 June 2011 07:26 PM
$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 06:22 PM
basicstrategy777 - 17 June 2011 07:56 AM

Dealer school at one of the CT. casino’s is 12 weeks ; the textbook is comprehensive.

As a dealer, your hourly wage goes up as the number of games you can deal goes up. The hourly wage is very low for a dealer and a 75% of their hourly wage is made up of tips.


777

The minimun federal wage rate is currently in the vicinity of $7 - $8 per hour if not more -

I have never payed minimun wage rates to my employees -

Therefore I do not know for sure what the $ is -

Do not casino table game dealers make federal minimun wages at the least ?

If not how are they allowed to circumvent the law ?

Tips are not considered as ” wages ”  - they are above and beyond your hourly stipend -

Also, they are not ” guaranteed ” to materialize -

Whereas, your hourly wage is ” gauranteed ” and required to be at the minimun level at the least !

TIPPED EMPLOYEES

An employer of a tipped employee is required to pay only $ 2. 13 an hour in direct wages if (1) that amount plus tips equals at least the minimum wage, (2) the employee keeps all tips, and (3) the employee regularly receives at least $ 30 a month in tips. If the employee’s tips do not bring his pay up to the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. When an employee is subject to both state and federal tipped employee wage laws, the employee is entitled to the benefits provided by the more generous law. (Connecticut tip wage law creates a $ 4. 88 minimum wage for waiters and other service employees, and $ 6. 33 for bartenders. )

  Talk about legalized prostitution !  

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Posted: 18 June 2011 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 05:50 PM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 11:57 AM
Sancho Panza - 17 June 2011 11:06 AM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 07:32 AM

OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

Does she know to fix the dice?

FYI no one at the table has nothing to do with controlling the dice.  “Its done by a goblin hiding in their dungeon”

And it’s off we go - into the wild blue yonder - flying high dooby dooby doo - into the wild blue yonder ......


And that’s as far as I’m going with this one -

Snake Eyes God Forbid…if I ever leave the forum because you would have LIFE entertainment level of ZERO.

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Posted: 18 June 2011 08:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I cant believe the dealers are working for 2.13 and hour plus tips its gotta be 7 or 8 bucks plus tips.

So do they divide out of all the chips in their tip box by shift?Or everyone gets that amount thats in the box.

At least you work for 20 minutes and then get to sit down for 20 minutes thats not bad I have had jobs where the wont even let you sit down.

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Posted: 18 June 2011 08:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 07:39 PM
Southern-Comfort - 17 June 2011 07:26 PM
$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 06:22 PM
basicstrategy777 - 17 June 2011 07:56 AM

Dealer school at one of the CT. casino’s is 12 weeks ; the textbook is comprehensive.

As a dealer, your hourly wage goes up as the number of games you can deal goes up. The hourly wage is very low for a dealer and a 75% of their hourly wage is made up of tips.


777

The minimun federal wage rate is currently in the vicinity of $7 - $8 per hour if not more -

I have never payed minimun wage rates to my employees -

Therefore I do not know for sure what the $ is -

Do not casino table game dealers make federal minimun wages at the least ?

If not how are they allowed to circumvent the law ?

Tips are not considered as ” wages ”  - they are above and beyond your hourly stipend -

Also, they are not ” guaranteed ” to materialize -

Whereas, your hourly wage is ” gauranteed ” and required to be at the minimun level at the least !

TIPPED EMPLOYEES

An employer of a tipped employee is required to pay only $ 2. 13 an hour in direct wages if (1) that amount plus tips equals at least the minimum wage, (2) the employee keeps all tips, and (3) the employee regularly receives at least $ 30 a month in tips. If the employee’s tips do not bring his pay up to the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. When an employee is subject to both state and federal tipped employee wage laws, the employee is entitled to the benefits provided by the more generous law. (Connecticut tip wage law creates a $ 4. 88 minimum wage for waiters and other service employees, and $ 6. 33 for bartenders. )

  Talk about legalized prostitution !  

Sounds more like slavery to me

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Posted: 18 June 2011 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Its just bad for them because they wont get tipped if everyone at the table is losing.

Some of them just dont deserve it with their attitudes and I bet few rip you off because they remember that you didnt tip them before.

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Posted: 18 June 2011 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Hardeight, S.C has the facts, and he is correct. Base wage of 4.88 is very close to right and goes up about 50 cents for each additional game they can deal.  The make roughly another 15 dollars an hour with tips. We are talking CT. here.

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Posted: 18 June 2011 04:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Hardeight - 18 June 2011 08:23 AM
$nakeEyes - 17 June 2011 05:50 PM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 11:57 AM
Sancho Panza - 17 June 2011 11:06 AM
Hardeight - 17 June 2011 07:32 AM

OK I just thought dealers school was just like a course where you had to pass the final exam just like any other course.Luckily for her the table had only 3 people.

Does she know to fix the dice?

FYI no one at the table has nothing to do with controlling the dice.  “Its done by a goblin hiding in their dungeon”

And it’s off we go - into the wild blue yonder - flying high dooby dooby doo - into the wild blue yonder ......


And that’s as far as I’m going with this one -

Snake Eyes God Forbid…if I ever leave the forum because you would have LIFE entertainment level of ZERO.

If “ you ” is plural encompassing the majority of this forum - you are 100% correct -

However,

If ” you ” is only a singular reference to me personally, then you are 99% wrong -

For the record - this forum just would not be the same without you !

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