The post is dedicated to 777 & H8, but anyone may respond… My name is Dee and I’m from Detroit, MI and I’ve been reading and learning from this site since 02/11. I’ve learned so much from u guys that when I go to the Casino “5 diff to choose from” I’m so beyond confident and what I like to call 777 patient… lol. I’ve been very somewhat successful playing but I do things a lil differently than most! I’ve got a killer grip, patience, instinct aka “luck” and I know the game in and out. All because of you guys! So thx again for all ur contributions that has and will turn me from a half not guy to a half got guy lmao… I’ve seen so many strategies that I never really knew which won would work for me. So instead of really gambling on different numbers, I gamble “All Across”... I don’t know if it would work for everyone but it takes a large bankroll to accomplish this. I worked very hard at my job for 2 months and saved up $6500 so I took $5,000 to the Casino and knew that my lost limit would be $3,500. So I placed the 6&8, then I bought the 10,9,5,4. Out of all my experiences at a table has shown me that there are times when shooters even including myself can 7 out after establishing a point! I know this and must take this into consideration knowing the game. So I use something like a 3 or 4 count instead of a 5 count, allow the shooter to establish a point and qualify then turn on my bets of $3200 across when “they qualify”, allow one place number to hit and turn them off again. “NOW HERE’S WHERE THE DISCIPLINE COMES IN!!! I don’t turn my bets back on until there’s a new shooter “No Matter How Good There Roll Is” Until he or she to me/my gut qualifies and I don’t lose, like ever anymore. I roughly go thru 3-5 shooters make about double my buy-in then leave with $2,100-$4,000 in no less then 15-40 mins of action, get a return on my buy and place bets then leave with all my profits. Most guys or ladies like buying-in small and working there way to 100"s, that’s so not realistic, believe me I’ve tried enough to know, but I’m from Detroit where I’ve always learned that “It Takes Money 2 Make Money”. Do u guys like or dislike my strategy, remember I haven’t lost yet! Plz be nice H8, but I know 777 will appreciate the strategy cuz it came to mind always hearing him say that u win what u bring…

I wanted to also add that I only play at the table with the most ppl because I feel like there are more players to choose from other than myself. This strategy would never work at a cold table so I never even attempt it…

I’m glad you have done well, but understand this is a luck game and no system works all the time. Things will average out.

My personal record is 21 winning sessions in a row, but I also have had 8 losing sessions in a row. You will eventually will get in a losing sessions streak and it will sting and you will wonder…“what the hell is going on…when will it stop.” With your style of play it will cost you big, from which you may not recover psycologically.

It is true you can’t win big unless you bet big but I have never advocated to start off by jumping in with big bets. I think it is best to start by sticking your toe in the water as opposed to the cannonball in the pool approach.

In a way it is too bad you have experienced such success early, as the tendency will be to think….‘hey, this is easy’ I know the feeling when you are at the table and the stars are all aligned and you believe you are bullet-proof. It is a wonderful feeling and one of the reasons we play, but it doesn’t last. Reat assured the other shoe will drop.

I really hope you continue to do well and don’t mean to be a wet blanket on your spirit, it’s just I want to brace you for when the downside comes.

Continues good luck in your play.

777

I disagree with BS777 -

I like your style of play -

Gutsy ! -

What you are doing is comparable to the Regression / Progression sytem of play -

Starting off with a large wager(s) - then after X hits - regress your bets to table min or turn them off / take them down -

Bear in mind - you can not beat every table - every time -

Most craps players have the long hand mentality - when in reality - the proper way to play is exactly what you are doing -

Hit and run ! -

Best of luck to you and ” If it ain’t broke - don’t fix it ” !

Just wondering why you cant type ” It Takes Money To Make Money” ?We speak English here.

My point is if you buy in for 50 bucks and make $150 and compare that to buying in for $5000 to make $15000 you still tripled your money no matter which way.I realize that the more you have the more you will make.But you cant claim you did better than I did if WE BOTH TRIPLED OUR MONEY

$nakeEyes - 26 June 2011 09:26 AM

I disagree with BS777 -

I like your style of play -

Gutsy ! -

What you are doing is comparable to the Regression / Progression sytem of play -

Starting off with a large wager(s) - then after X hits - regress your bets to table min or turn them off / take them down -

Bear in mind - you can not beat every table - every time -

Most craps players have the long hand mentality - when in reality - the proper way to play is exactly what you are doing -

Hit and run ! -

Best of luck to you and ” If it ain’t broke - don’t fix it ” !

So you like the idea of buying in for 5000 and your first bet is 3200 across…..and you have a 3500 loss limit.

I guess that’s one way…..but not my cup of tea.

777

basicstrategy777 - 26 June 2011 02:12 PM

$nakeEyes - 26 June 2011 09:26 AM

I disagree with BS777 -

I like your style of play -

Gutsy ! -

What you are doing is comparable to the Regression / Progression sytem of play -

Starting off with a large wager(s) - then after X hits - regress your bets to table min or turn them off / take them down -

Bear in mind - you can not beat every table - every time -

Most craps players have the long hand mentality - when in reality - the proper way to play is exactly what you are doing -

Hit and run ! -

Best of luck to you and ” If it ain’t broke - don’t fix it ” !

So you like the idea of buying in for 5000 and your first bet is 3200 across…..and you have a 3500 loss limit.

I guess that’s one way…..but not my cup of tea.

777

Ballsy maneuver for a female craps player - ballsy maneuver for ANY craps player -

The above scenario can be accomplished with any $ amount across -

For example - @ a $5 betting level - the bet across the board would be $32 -
This particular player is multiplying this factor by 100 -

The only fly in the ointment with this strategy is :

  How many losses can this bettor absorb/withstand -  What is the risk to ruin ratio - Sooner or later you are going to lose to a 7-out -
What happens if this occurs 2 times in a row / 3 times in a row / 4 times in a row, etc, ........... -

The concept is unique, viable,  attainable and logical - 

However, the primary and most discernable flaw in this concept is simply the following :

The amount wagered is excessive to the bankroll - and sooner than later - this bettor will get bitten in the ass - big time !

The betting amounts need to be reduced to a more acceptable level in order to be able to survive the inevitable back to back losses that will occur - and to ensure the survival of the bettor.

basicstrategy777 - 26 June 2011 05:04 AM

I’m glad you have done well, but understand this is a luck game and no system works all the time. Things will average out.

My personal record is 21 winning sessions in a row, but I also have had 8 losing sessions in a row. You will eventually will get in a losing sessions streak and it will sting and you will wonder…“what the hell is going on…when will it stop.” With your style of play it will cost you big, from which you may not recover psycologically.

It is true you can’t win big unless you bet big but I have never advocated to start off by jumping in with big bets. I think it is best to start by sticking your toe in the water as opposed to the cannonball in the pool approach.
In a way it is too bad you have experienced such success early, as the tendency will be to think….‘hey, this is easy’ I know the feeling when you are at the table and the stars are all aligned and you believe you are bullet-proof. It is a wonderful feeling and one of the reasons we play, but it doesn’t last. Reat assured the other shoe will drop.

I really hope you continue to do well and don’t mean to be a wet blanket on your spirit, it’s just I want to brace you for when the downside comes.

Continues good luck in your play.

777

777 - the above in red is the ONLY aspect of your response that I disagree with - for the record !

We are here to earn from each other, share experiences, kill some time, give our point of view, break balls,
get a laugh. We will disagree. I have no problem with that.

Unless there is resistence to the oars the boat cannot go forward.

777

basicstrategy777 - 27 June 2011 05:56 AM

We are here to earn from each other, share experiences, kill some time, give our point of view, break balls,
get a laugh. We will disagree. I have no problem with that.

Unless there is resistence to the oars the boat cannot go forward.

777

I agree 100%.Snake Eyes and some others just get too irritated over an opposing opinion.

H8…..........I must say, from time to time, you do post some crazy shit…..but I love ya anyway.

777

basicstrategy777 - 27 June 2011 09:02 AM

H8…..........I must say, from time to time, you do post some crazy shit…..but I love ya anyway.

777

Love you back bro.I just like looking “outside the box” and want others to know things are not what they seem sometimes.

Any kind of knowledge is good knowledge no matter how crazy it sounds

H8: The plan has never been to triple my money, but to only make a large sum of money as quickly as possible. If I buy in for $3,500 I tend to leave with $2,100-$4,000 off of 3-5 place wins depending on what’s fell in my quick assault. If I get 6,6,8 shyyt that’s $700 a piece so I’d leave after that (3) rolls. Making money and keeping my exposure to the 7 down only betting once on sumone qualified and a couple of rolls from myself. Last night I rolled 10 rolls (Point was 8) including my come-out and turned my bets off after rolling 10,4,9,10 roughly $3,700 in wins not including tax and vigs, then I 7’d out on the 8th roll then left. Yes I could have made more but I didn’t get caught by a 7. I try my best not to get greedy.

Snakeyes: You’re somewhat indecisive I see, 1st u give me props for the strategy then shoot it down?
“Ballsy maneuver for a female craps player - ballsy maneuver for ANY craps player -

The above scenario can be accomplished with any $ amount across -

For example - @ a $5 betting level - the bet across the board would be $32 -
This particular player is multiplying this factor by 100 -

The only fly in the ointment with this strategy is :

  How many losses can this bettor absorb/withstand -  What is the risk to ruin ratio - Sooner or later you are going to lose to a 7-out -
What happens if this occurs 2 times in a row / 3 times in a row / 4 times in a row, etc, ........... -

The concept is unique, viable,  attainable and logical - 

However, the primary and most discernable flaw in this concept is simply the following :

The amount wagered is excessive to the bankroll - and sooner than later - this bettor will get bitten in the ass - big time !

The betting amounts need to be reduced to a more acceptable level in order to be able to survive the inevitable back to back losses that will occur - and to ensure the survival of the bettor. [size=4][/s

LET ME EXPLAIN SOME THINGS!
#1- I’m not a female
#2- The results cannot be done with any lower wager because I can make a grip in 3 rolls what it could take over 100 rolls to do with a much smaller lets say $100 bankroll.
#3- As far as loses go, I can see myself losing once or twice in one week but that’s it because of the counts I’ve been using on others and myself. It’s kinda like Russian Roulette, there is a “7 shot revolver with 6 empty and one way to die. Now don’t u think u’d have more chances to die the longer u pull the trigger, but you’d have a better chance of living the less u do…
#4- The amount wager isn’t excessive to the bankroll because that’s the whole point, if I lose I’d leave and live to fight another day.
#5- Betting amounts don’t need to be reduced because this is hit & run. If I went in the Casino with $6,600 let me or someone else establish a point then have my “All Across” on I’d get paid $2,000 for 10,4 $1400 for 5,6,8,9 and could just leave after that! That’s alot of money for me and on a wiery day I could prob pull it off or merely pick and choose one point of time when the dice are in the heat of the moment and turn them on get paid off one hit then leave. Craps is all about timing to me and I’d rather win enough on a couple of rolls than many rolls anyday…

basicstrategy777: Thx for the comments. They were real, yet respectful. Real none the less.

I know that not everyone would like this strategy, shytt y’all know I do so what I need is positive and negative concret feed back on what I’m doing. Ratios or win/loss percentages. Lets say I went 3 days a week for 52 weeks and only wagered on myself. My buy-in is $3,000 a day, $15 min and buying the 10,4,5,9. My max betting on rolls would be 5 rolls including my comeout roll, bets off on come-out roll though. Is there anyway to figure this out or does someone need more info? If this helps I only use 3 sets 4/1-6/5, 3v-5/1 or 6/1, and 2v-1/4.

From what I gathered from myself is this: We all know it happens but how often do u really see a qualified shooter or yourself 7 out after the come-out roll when at a happy aka hot or choppy table?

g3tm0n3y - 27 June 2011 08:14 PM

H8: The plan has never been to triple my money, but to only make a large sum of money as quickly as possible. If I buy in for $3,500 I tend to leave with $2,100-$4,000 off of 3-5 place wins depending on what’s fell in my quick assault. If I get 6,6,8 shyyt that’s $700 a piece so I’d leave after that (3) rolls. Making money and keeping my exposure to the 7 down only betting once on sumone qualified and a couple of rolls from myself. Last night I rolled 10 rolls (Point was 8) including my come-out and turned my bets off after rolling 10,4,9,10 roughly $3,700 in wins not including tax and vigs, then I 7’d out on the 8th roll then left. Yes I could have made more but I didn’t get caught by a 7. I try my best not to get greedy.

Snakeyes: You’re somewhat indecisive I see, 1st u give me props for the strategy then shoot it down?
“Ballsy maneuver for a female craps player - ballsy maneuver for ANY craps player -

The above scenario can be accomplished with any $ amount across -

For example - @ a $5 betting level - the bet across the board would be $32 -
This particular player is multiplying this factor by 100 -

The only fly in the ointment with this strategy is :

  How many losses can this bettor absorb/withstand -  What is the risk to ruin ratio - Sooner or later you are going to lose to a 7-out -
What happens if this occurs 2 times in a row / 3 times in a row / 4 times in a row, etc, ........... -

The concept is unique, viable,  attainable and logical - 

However, the primary and most discernable flaw in this concept is simply the following :

The amount wagered is excessive to the bankroll - and sooner than later - this bettor will get bitten in the ass - big time !

The betting amounts need to be reduced to a more acceptable level in order to be able to survive the inevitable back to back losses that will occur - and to ensure the survival of the bettor. [size=4][/s

LET ME EXPLAIN SOME THINGS!
#1- I’m not a female
#2- The results cannot be done with any lower wager because I can make a grip in 3 rolls what it could take over 100 rolls to do with a much smaller lets say $100 bankroll.
#3- As far as loses go, I can see myself losing once or twice in one week but that’s it because of the counts I’ve been using on others and myself. It’s kinda like Russian Roulette, there is a “7 shot revolver with 6 empty and one way to die. Now don’t u think u’d have more chances to die the longer u pull the trigger, but you’d have a better chance of living the less u do…
#4- The amount wager isn’t excessive to the bankroll because that’s the whole point, if I lose I’d leave and live to fight another day.
#5- Betting amounts don’t need to be reduced because this is hit & run. If I went in the Casino with $6,600 let me or someone else establish a point then have my “All Across” on I’d get paid $2,000 for 10,4 $1400 for 5,6,8,9 and could just leave after that! That’s alot of money for me and on a wiery day I could prob pull it off or merely pick and choose one point of time when the dice are in the heat of the moment and turn them on get paid off one hit then leave. Craps is all about timing to me and I’d rather win enough on a couple of rolls than many rolls anyday…

basicstrategy777: Thx for the comments. They were real, yet respectful. Real none the less.

I know that not everyone would like this strategy, shytt y’all know I do so what I need is positive and negative concret feed back on what I’m doing. Ratios or win/loss percentages. Lets say I went 3 days a week for 52 weeks and only wagered on myself. My buy-in is $3,000 a day, $15 min and buying the 10,4,5,9. My max betting on rolls would be 5 rolls including my comeout roll, bets off on come-out roll though. Is there anyway to figure this out or does someone need more info? If this helps I only use 3 sets 4/1-6/5, 3v-5/1 or 6/1, and 2v-1/4.

From what I gathered from myself is this: We all know it happens but how often do u really see a qualified shooter or yourself 7 out after the come-out roll when at a happy aka hot or choppy table?

I was just saying about tripling your money to 777.Apparently people think if you buy in more you think you are doing better but its all the same.If I had your cheddar yes I would place the 6,8 get a few hits and bail out thats smart.But some of us have little to work with so we do the best we can.

It is not all the same.

It is easier to double your money with 100 dollar buy in than with a 1000 dollar buy in.

777

basicstrategy777 - 28 June 2011 05:13 AM

It is not all the same.

It is easier to double your money with 100 dollar buy in than with a 1000 dollar buy in.

777

Well, not exactly—unless you are referring to consistency.  In a single turn, its the same.  The trick is the effect of absorbing the $1000 losses over time vs the $100 losses.
I remember pointing out a flaw in some supervisor’s plan at work once and being told I was being negative.  My response was “ok, your plan positively will not work.”
Surving heavy bet losses is not for mortal men, and the heavy bets get you noticed way too quickly if you do manage consistant wins.
I’d rather eat hamburgers ever day than dine on lobster and then starve to death.