Hello i want to share a strategy i have been having success with both on wincraps and live play. Here it goes:

Buy in for $1000
Put 25 on DP
Once the point is established take max odds - 6/8 -$90 - 4/10 $250 - 5/9 - $150
now place either $52 inside or $48 inside depending on the point

allow three rolls
Best case scenario:
3 inside numbers hit for $63 -turn numbers off and pick DP odds up

Now your up $63 and the 7 is your friend

7 out and your up $ 88 on the roll

Next case:
Shooter hits none of your points and 7’s out
4/10 - collect $150 on DP—Lose $52/48 inside for a net of $98 or 95
5/9 - Collect $125 on DP Lose - $52/48 inside for a net of $73-/70
6/8- Collect $80 on DP Lose - $52/48 inside for a net of 28/25

Next Case

Shooter hits a few points then passes the point with your odds up.

The few hits stem the big loss but it is still a big hit

Worst Case
Shooter rolls the point right back and takes your enTIRe DP bet with full odds.

I have been runnign this in wincraps with very good success obviously the only problems occur on a hot table or when it goezs point 7 point 7 sequence.

I tbelieve if your to scope out a table with minimal chips and a few people (THE TOKEN BLACK MAN WITH $20 IN WHITES)(THAT COLD LOOK LOL)this would definilty bve a good strategy to play and would give youthe opportunity to hang in there and wait for the extremly cold table or super hot table (must switch side very tricky)

Let me know what everyone thinks and ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED

THANKS
7-OUT

just ran it 5 time and won 4 time lost once averag win of $1000 one game plus $3500 (was betting unrealistically) One loss of $1000(wanted toi see it falter on a hot table with a lot of naturals on the come out roll.

Being as I’m responding piecemeal I am going to use Usenet quoting format.  Your text is in italics.

> Buy in for $1000

You could have close to 1/3 of that on the table at one time, so I take it playing time is not a priority.

> Put 25 on DP
> Once the point is established take max odds - 6/8 -$90 - 4/10 $250 - 5/9 - $150
> now place either $52 inside or $48 inside depending on the point

You are going to have to be more specific since I cannot come to these numbers.  Assuming you do not place the point, if the point is ...
    4/10 you will be placing either $44 or $66 inside.
    5/9 you will be placing $34 or $51 inside.
    6/8 you will be placing $32 or $48 inside.

> allow three rolls
> Best case scenario:
> 3 inside numbers hit for $63 -turn numbers off and pick DP odds up

> 7 out and your up $ 88 on the roll

OK, so to win $21/hit you have to place $15 on 5/9 and $18 on 6/8.  That means you’re placing the higher amounts above.

> Next case:
> Shooter hits none of your points and 7’s out
> 4/10 - collect $150 on DP—Lose $52/48 inside for a net of $98 or 95
> 5/9 - Collect $125 on DP Lose - $52/48 inside for a net of $73-/70
> 6/8- Collect $80 on DP Lose - $52/48 inside for a net of 28/25

Since we know the point we also know what we’ve placed inside, so I get
    4/10   +$150 - $66 = +$84
    5/9   +$125 - $51 = +$74
    6/8   +$75 - $48 = +$27

> Next Case

> The few hits stem the big loss but it is still a big hit

If you get one hit you’re up $21; if you get two hits you’re up $42.  These offset losses of $275 on points of 4/10, $175 on points of 5/9, and $115 on 6/8.  Net losses are therefore $233-$254 on points of 4/10, $133-$154 on points of 5/9, and $73-$94 on points of 6/8.  You’re right: if you don’t get past three rolls you’re taking a big hit.

> Worst Case
> Shooter rolls the point right back and takes your enTIRe DP bet with full odds.

There are also those 8 natural DP losers (vs. 3 natural winners) to contend with.

> I have been runnign this in wincraps with very good success
> obviously the only problems occur on a hot table or when it goezs
> point 7 point 7 sequence.

I think you mean when points make on the turn.  You’re showing a profit when shooter after shooter goes continental (two rolls, no coffee).

I don’t like hedging strategies in general, so this one is not for me.  That said, it isn’t all that bad if you can tolerate the high risk of ruin.  With $1000 stake I would definitely scale back the odds to $70 on 4/10 and $60 on 5/6/8/9.  My inside place bets would then be $44 on points of 4/10, $34 on points of 5/9, and $32 on points of 6/8.

If your bringing it down to those levels shooter sevens out immediatly you only break even. not win . THe key is to win when otheres are losing not just breaking even. Like i said you have to do research feel the table out a bit. If youv’e been around the game long enough one knows empty table low chips—dice are cold. If you start losing a few look around see how otherrs chip stacks are fairing, because it may be time to swithc to the pass.

Place bets are a bad idea.

Never place the 4 or the 10. The house edge is 6.67%

Never place the 5 or the 9. The house edge is 4%

Both are way too much house advantage.

I don’t like to bet alot to win alittle.

I like to bet the 4 and 10 ; the house edge can be less than 1 %.

The House edge does not determine if you will be a winner ..........it just tells you how much the house will theoretically earn.

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You should try 3 & 7 it always come..

7-out - 15 September 2011 11:45 AM

The Midnight Skulker - 15 September 2011 11:27 AM

With $1000 stake I would definitely scale back the odds to $70 on 4/10 and $60 on 5/6/8/9.  My inside place bets would then be $44 on points of 4/10, $34 on points of 5/9, and $32 on points of 6/8.

If your bringing it down to those levels shooter sevens out immediatly you only break even. not win .

Oh?  I get the following results.
    Behind 4/10 I have $25 flat with $70 odds for a win of $60, offset by a loss of $44 inside.
      Net profit = $16
    Behind 5/9 I have $25 flat with $60 odds for a win of $65, offset by a loss of $34 inside.
      Net profit = $31
    Behind 6/8 I have $25 flat with $60 odds for a win of $75, offset by a loss of $32 inside.
      Net profit = $43

PokerPlayer - 15 September 2011 09:54 PM

Place bets are a bad idea.

I totaly, wholeheartedly disagree with your premise / philosophy regrading place betting-

In my opinion - it is the only way to go -

You can select any number that you desire - wager any amount that you desire - remove or move your bet to any other number that you may desire-

The options are innumerable and extremely flexible -

You have no options with a PL or come bet - be it with or against the shooter -

Never place the 4 or the 10. The house edge is 6.67%

Never place the 5 or the 9. The house edge is 4%

Both are way too much house advantage.

I tend to agree with you on the above points -

You are much better off ” buying ” those numbers rather than placing them -

The house advantage is significantly reduced -

And you mantain the same flexibility as placing the numbers- which in essence is exactly what you are doing - but at a more advantagous situation for yourself.

The only time I make a PL wager is when I am the shooter -

Otherwise it is Place Betting the 6/8 - Buying the 4/10 and 5/9 - as I see fit according to the shooters’ dice set and/or results -

Or not betting at all - when I observe the ” Shake, Rattle and Rollers ” at the trable !

Buy in for $200 -

Have wife ( Linda ) buy in for $200.-

Learn how to set the dice and throw on axis -

Have wife run a 6/8 progression -

You run a 5/9 and 4/10 progression -

1st hit - progress -

2nd hit - take and lock up win -

3rd hit - progress -

4th hit take and lock up profit -

5th hit - progress -

6th hit - take profit and revert bets to $15/$18 and begin sequence from #1 again !

Short, sweet, simple and effective !

P.S.  DO NOT FORGET THE FIRE BET - $5 FOR YOU - AND $5 FOR THE BETTER HALF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!