i went to my local casino with a small bankroll of $200 last night. the table was a $15 min and i managed to play just above even for about two hours. so i get the dice after about shooting four times or so earlier and only making one point and then it happened. i made 5 points and 4 come out sevens. i made the 4, 10, 5, 8 twice and busted out shooting for the nine. i didn’t have a fire bet and since i am new to the game i was only playing a $18 6 and 8 and $25 on the 9 and i only had $15 odds behind the pass line. so after i finally crapped out. i had made $455 bucks. i know i should of pressed my bets and increased my odds bets but i never have thrown more than 3 points before and was kind of in a throwing zone/ trance and wasn’t thinking about the money at the time. i am happy with my winnings but a couple of guys who came late to the table during my roll told me than i could have made a boat load of money if i would have been pressing my bets up on all the numbers and placing larger free odds bets. would love to hear from people as to what would be a basic way to ramp up my wagers while shooting without getting myself overwhelmed. thanks scott

Nice roll! Not bad at all! I recently had a 8-point roll, but it was so late into my trip I was about tapped out of money, only making about $140.00 :(. The table minimum was $2.00, with triple the odds.

Nice roll. Were you using dice control/setting the dice? Or just launching/shaking them up ?

WHERE are these $2.00 min. tables POOR BOY needs to know

tercol58 - 21 January 2012 03:00 PM

WHERE are these $2.00 min. tables POOR BOY needs to know

In AC the ACH and Trump Plaza have $3 min tables - max $100 - ACH has the Fire Bet - TP does not -

tercol58 - 21 January 2012 03:00 PM

WHERE are these $2.00 min. tables POOR BOY needs to know

Sorry! I know most of the folks here are East Coast folks, I am from Wisconsin, and played a $2.00 game at a small Michigan Casino:

http://www.islandresortandcasino.com

as for dice sets, it’s funny because i had read some articles online about dice setting and tried the 3v and the hardway set a couple of times before and it wasnt working for me. i think it was a mental thing and i expected too much, just set the dice this way and you’ll throw this number sort of thing. so after a couple of trips and many disasterous rolls i started
setting them this way. heck, i dont even know if there is a proper term for these sets. for points 4,5,6 i was setting the two and one on top and 8,9,10 i would put the six five on top. kind of like a high-low number sets. An i set them quick and try to throw them so the come to rest on the table between the pass line and the wall without a lot of bounce but of course that didn’t always happen. probably just a lucky roll but it was definitely a confidence builder.

scott22 - 20 January 2012 04:13 PM

i went to my local casino with a small bankroll of $200 last night. the table was a $15 min and i managed to play just above even for about two hours. so i get the dice after about shooting four times or so earlier and only making one point and then it happened. i made 5 points and 4 come out sevens. i made the 4, 10, 5, 8 twice and busted out shooting for the nine. i didn’t have a fire bet and since i am new to the game i was only playing a $18 6 and 8 and $25 on the 9 and i only had $15 odds behind the pass line. so after i finally crapped out. i had made $455 bucks. i know i should of pressed my bets and increased my odds bets but i never have thrown more than 3 points before and was kind of in a throwing zone/ trance and wasn’t thinking about the money at the time. i am happy with my winnings but a couple of guys who came late to the table during my roll told me than i could have made a boat load of money if i would have been pressing my bets up on all the numbers and placing larger free odds bets. would love to hear from people as to what would be a basic way to ramp up my wagers while shooting without getting myself overwhelmed. thanks scott

Congratulations on the win!
Your story reminded me of when I was first playing almost 30 years ago. I was at Ceasars in Atlantic City early one morning.  It was just me and this old guy at opposite ends of a $10 table. At one point, I rolled about 25 times before sevening out. I forget how many points I made, but I know it was a few and I know I was hitting a lot of place numbers.  My philosophy at the time was this - if the point was even,  place the even numbers for the table minimum.  If the point was odd, place the odd numbers for the table minimum. Like you, I just collected the winnings. I maybe made $200 or $250.  The older guy was cleaning up.

After I sevened out, he came over to me and said “Kid, you are a lucky shooter.  You have to learn to press your bets”.  He then went on to teach me this very simple “system”:

You say you play three place bets for the table minimum. At a $10 table you might have as much as $34 in play. The first two times you hit a place number tell the dealer “same bet” - meaning,  collect all the winnings the first two times you hit something. This is as little as $28 or could be as much as as much as $36. So at the low end, you pretty much have made your investment back and you are now playing with “house money”

Now is the time to re-invest some winnings. Starting with the third hit, tell the dealer “up a unit”. The dealer will take your winnings and increase the point that hit by $5 (for the 4,5,9, or 10) or $6 (for the 6 or 8) and give you the balance to put in your rack. So if a 6 hit, he would increase your 6 bet from $12 to $18 and the dealer hands you $8. If a 10 hit, you increase your bet to $15 and he hands you $13.

Continue that with each subsequent hit.  Simply say “up a unit” and the dealer will take care of it for you, increasing your bet and handing you increasing profits.

Do this for a while and you will quickly get comfortable with the rhythm.  Dealers are also very used to this system. The glory of this system is once you have recouped your investment, you continue to add winnings to your rack while at the same time increasing your bets using “house money” 

After a while, I got comfortable enough to increase a little more quickly. For example, when you have the 6 up to $30, and it hits for $35, take it up two units to $42 (Tell the dealer “go to 42”) . And next time the six hits, take it to $60 (say “go to $60”). After that, go up by $30 each time.  I have on mulitple occassions run a $12 place bet on a 6 up to $150 or more. Do this with the 8 as well.  Similar with the five and nine….one you get to $30, go to $40, then to $60, then up by $30 each time.

For the four and ten, there is a specific bet when you press up.  Called a “buy” bet.  For example, lets say you have the 4 up to $15 and it hits.  You in $27. Tell the dealer “buy the 4 for $20”.  He will count out your winnings ($27) ...put $5 additional on your 4 for a total of $20, he will keep $1 and hand you the balance ($21) This $1 is called the “vig” or “Vigorish” or “commision”. He will also either put a marker on top of your bet that says “buy” or he wil moveit just off the line on the box to indicate it is a buy bet.  In this case if the “bought"4 hits, you win $39 (he actually pays you $40, but remember you paid an extra $1 vig for the buy. )  If you had not bought it but only increased your place bet to $20 without buying it, you would have won $36.  So buying it gets you an extra $3.  After you win, you have to pay $1 vig for every $20 of buy bet to keep the buy bet up.  So when you get your buy bet up to $40, the vig is $2. Buying for $100 will cost you $5 vig.  But do it, it is worth it.  And when a “bought” 4 or 10 hits, I increase the bet quicker.  From $20 to $35 to $75 to $100 to $150.

So:
1)  learn “up a unit” and use it until you are comfortable.
2)  Learn to buy the 4 and 10 when your bet gets to $20 or more. and
3)  Once you are comfortable, consider increasing the bets more than 1 unit when the bets get a little higher.

So I guess this makes me the old guy and you the kid!  Circle of life….

JHPA -

You are totally correct when you say that you have to increase your bets - and at the same time take some profit off the table -

Your strategy is well and fine -

However- it’s a little too slow to my liking -

Long rolls are few and far between -

I play a similar but different strategy -

I place bet for $10 or $12 certain numbers - ( likely to show / or repeaters - depending on the shooter ) -

My next move is ” Press ” - ” Take ” - ” Press ” - ” Take ” - ” Press ” - ” Take and down to $10/ $12 ” - and ” Press’ - ” Take ” - etc ...

Sometimes being a little aggressive goes a long way -

” Gotta make hay while the sun shines ” - as the old axiom goes !

$nakeEye$ - 22 January 2012 03:07 PM

JHPA -

You are totally correct when you say that you have to increase your bets - and at the same time take some profit off the table -

Your strategy is well and fine -

However- it’s a little too slow to my liking -

Long rolls are few and far between -

I play a similar but different strategy -

I place bet for $10 or $12 certain numbers - ( likely to show / or repeaters - depending on the shooter ) -

My next move is ” Press ” - ” Take ” - ” Press ” - ” Take ” - ” Press ” - ” Take and down to $10/ $12 ” - and ” Press’ - ” Take ” - etc ...

Sometimes being a little aggressive goes a long way -

” Gotta make hay while the sun shines ” - as the old axiom goes !

I hear you, but my philosophy is to break even or better for as long as possible so I can be there when the big roll hits, and then make big money on that monster roll.  If I buy in for $300, I will play it down until it is gone or I will start putting green chips in my pocket when I get up to $500 or so. So my goal is to maximize the possibility of getting the big hit, and taking a couple of wins before upping my bet keeps me at the table longer.

thanks everybody for the knowledge.  more questions if you guys dont mind. is hanging around and waiting for the big roll the only way to make decent money?

scott22 - 22 January 2012 06:43 PM

is hanging around and waiting for the big roll the only way to make decent money?

I would say that the only way to make decent money is to guess correctly about what’s going to happen in the future.  Is that vague?  Probably.  My opinion is that you can never know when that big roll is going to happen.  You can try to jump into the middle of what has been a big roll, but there’s no telling what’s going to happen once you do that.

EDIT: After seeing JHPA’s response, I realize that I may have misunderstood your question.  By “hanging around and waiting”, I thought you meant not betting.  The first part of my answer still applies, though.

scott22 - 22 January 2012 06:43 PM

thanks everybody for the knowledge.  more questions if you guys dont mind. is hanging around and waiting for the big roll the only way to make decent money?

It depends what you are seeking.  If you go to the casino with $300 and want to play for a couple of hours and are happy if you leave with $100 in your pocket and ecstatic when you leave with $375, you can play the way you have been playing. 

In my experience, it is rare to have a long, grinding session that ends up trippling your bankroll or better.  In my experience, you have some small ups and small downs and then, all of a sudden, you have some shooter go on a huge roll.  That is when you end up enough to stick a bunch of green or black chips in your pocket and head home a big winner.  When I look back on my biggest wins, they were exactly that….in fact, If I walk away up $600 I can usually remember the one shooter when I won $800, the rest of the two hour session was a net loss - and in fact, I can usually look at that one shooter and see a relatively few rolls where I won $150 on a bought 10 or a $10 hard eight that I threw out on a whim. 

But that is my perception and others may have a different view of things. I’d be interested in other’s opinions

What you have going against you…..the house has the edge on all bets ( except odds bet ).......the table is hot, cold, or choppy meaning 2 out of 3 is bad. Human nature is against you. You are vastly underfunded compared to your foe. Plus other stuff.

The only way to make big money at the table is to bet big or get in on a long roll and pressing your bets. ( making and hitting prop bets is another way but thats another subject and most ‘purist’ would frown on making these high HA bets )

If you have 40 shooters, the probability of at least one shooter having a roll exceding 30 throws is 13 %. You have to be there when it happens….either buying in at just the right time or lasting that long. My book contains 19 strategies, 25 commandments, plus additional statistics like this that I think can help the player develope a strategy.

Basically, my advice to you would be to recapture your initial bets as quickly as possible, ( easier said than done )...than once you have all/most of your money back, to spread out to all numbers and start pressing your bets, either thru place bets or come bets or a combination of both. Take some profit along the way up. Call your bets off on occasion. The ideal senario is you start low, catch a hot shooter and are increasing your bets, and an hour later you get a premonition and tell the dealer…“off on my bets”....and the next roll is a 7.

Know how to play ‘wrong’, as you will need to play it at some point in your ‘career’.

Good luck kid…..and bring your rabbits foot with you.

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