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ok, let me set this up, you have $100 bankroll and 15 to 20 min. to play and the table is semi busy and you are not throwing the dice and you only have time to bet o. n at most a few shooters. how would you bet? what would be your plays? two scenarios doubling your hundo and swinging for the fences. tell me your play(s)
For those of us who believe that one shooter is as good or bad as the next, we would not have any problem just buying in and making the usual bets. At a $10 table, I would do my usual $10 pass with 1 x odds. Then place the inside numbers. With the shorter timeframe, I would go up a unit after the first win instead of waiting until after my usual two winners.
See - this is what causes me a problem with the dice controll believers. If you are a believer, you have to determine that a shooter is one of those who can defy the randomness of the dice. You believe that unless the shooter is a fellow controller, you need to lay back. I go to a casino to shoot dice and bet on the other people who are shooting dice. Dice rolls are random…one shooter is as good as the next and each roll has a 6 out of 36 change of being a seven. ANything else ids pure superstition.
...not that there is anything wrong with superstition
Scott,
you have to ask yourself if you are trying to just double up real quick or are you trying to still play for the 20-30 mins? if you dont have much time and want the best shot at doubling your money then its a easy bet. either everything against the shooter or everything for them based off your odds of which point the shooter is shooting for. I would always bet against the 4 or the 10 because that give me the best odds to win.
and really if you are only talking about a 100 bucks then win or loose just make sure you get a few free drinks out of it.
Au Contraire! Shoot when you, and your kind, are not around!
But you see, that is my point.
Let’s assume for a minute that dice influencing is possible. But I think you would agree that it requires a lot of practice and work to overcome the randomness of the game. What percent of the dice players spend that time? 1%? And what percent of those develop the skill to actually influence the dice? 10%. (Both of these percentages are way too high, but I will stipulate for arguments sake)
That means that 1 in 1000 shooters are influencing the dice. The rest are random shooters - my “kind”.
So you walk up to a table and you have a 1 in 1000 chance that the shooter is able to influence the dice. (Of course, this assume that you recognize his proficiency - I assume he will have a sign hanging around his neck) So your advice is to sit out when the other 999 “random shooters” have the dice.
The original post is not about dice influencing. The scenario of the original post does not give you the option of sitting out shooters - you have $100 and 15 to 20 minutes.
Yes sir you are indeed correct on all your points. But you brought the subject up. But there are markets when you can choose your battles. That is my point.
ok, let me set this up, you have $100 bankroll and 15 to 20 min. to play and the table is semi busy and you are not throwing the dice and you only have time to bet o. n at most a few shooters. how would you bet? what would be your plays? two scenarios doubling your hundo and swinging for the fences. tell me your play(s)
“Doubling your money” for me is “swinging for the fences” with only $100 buy-in.
It seems that your approach allows that the $100 is “throw away” money. Therefore, play $3 on each hard number, and if any hit, parley the win, if the easy way or 7 show, do it again. The $100 will go relatively slow and you might win upwards of $200.
The PL/1X odds folks somehow believe that the 7/11 will come out multiple times is a 15-20 min. session, and to be fair I have seen it done. However, a 5/9 point if converted will pay ($10PL + $10 odds) $25. A $20 9 Place bet will pay $28. Same bet on the 4/10 will garner $30 for the PL/1X odds or $36 on a Placed 10.
How about hop the 7 for $3 and $10 field and progress upward Martingale style, i.e., $6 and $20; $12 and $40. Each roll offers a 61.1% chance of winning. If you hit two in a row, start again; could be fun and profitable.
Other than those above, just play the way you feel or the standard establishment Place and press.
I can see everyone’s point about betting certain numbers and hope they hit. In my opinion, first try to find a table that is $5 minimum. If not available then play passline with odds and come bets with odds. $100 does not get you very far in this game when the house edge is high on most bets. Play the lowest edge available to you pass/odds and come/odds and hope for hits.
This was what happened 2 nights ago in the casino. It was about 30 minutes before the free dinning coupon expired. I stood at a semi crowded Craps tables. The shooter threw a few box numbers, then he hit the point. I bought in for $100. Wait for the shooter to establish a point, which was 4. I waited one more roll (hate Honeymoon). Then I placed bet the 8 for $30, and the 9 for $20. I have seen him threw these numbers the last hand. After 2 rolls, both the 8 & the 9 got hit once, then the shooter hit the point 4. I took down my bets and waited for my chance to bet again. Sure enough, shooter got a “honeymoon”. I looked at the time, ah, still got time to hit the cage & the bathroom before dinner. I collected my $60+ winning and headed for the cage. Not bad for 15 minutes play with 60% return on investment.
My advice, if you have limited time to play at the Craps table, DON’T. You are more likely to make bad bets in a rush. If you must play, stick with place bets. You don’t have to wait for a decision, can always pick them up and go. Watch for 5 to 10 minutes, then place bet the hot numbers. Sure, every roll is independent to the previous roll, but why not bet with the “flow”. At least you can cheer with the crowd. Then watch the time. You don’t have to wait for the numbers to get hit, 7 out or so. When it is time to go, take down your bets, collect your chips (if any left), and go.
As I think about this… some of my most successful runs have been short ones. I will finish getting dressed before dinner and my wife needs an extra 20 minutes so I tell her I will meet her at the craps table. Or we are packed up to check out of the hotel and I head down to the table for one last 30 minute buy in. I think it is because I do not have an opportunity to give back what I have won. I can remmeber at least six or seven times I would double a $200 buy in in less than an hour, lalways playing my usually strategy of PL , 1X odds, placing two or three numbers going up a unit after each win.
This was what happened 2 nights ago in the casino. It was about 30 minutes before the free dinning coupon expired. I stood at a semi crowded Craps tables. The shooter threw a few box numbers, then he hit the point. I bought in for $100. Wait for the shooter to establish a point, which was 4. I waited one more roll (hate Honeymoon). Then I placed bet the 8 for $30, and the 9 for $20. I have seen him threw these numbers the last hand. After 2 rolls, both the 8 & the 9 got hit once, then the shooter hit the point 4. I took down my bets and waited for my chance to bet again. Sure enough, shooter got a “honeymoon”. I looked at the time, ah, still got time to hit the cage & the bathroom before dinner. I collected my $60+ winning and headed for the cage. Not bad for 15 minutes play with 60% return on investment.
My advice, if you have limited time to play at the Craps table, DON’T. You are more likely to make bad bets in a rush. If you must play, stick with place bets. You don’t have to wait for a decision, can always pick them up and go. Watch for 5 to 10 minutes, then place bet the hot numbers. Sure, every roll is independent to the previous roll, but why not bet with the “flow”. At least you can cheer with the crowd. Then watch the time. You don’t have to wait for the numbers to get hit, 7 out or so. When it is time to go, take down your bets, collect your chips (if any left), and go.
Sam46810: From my perspective, and for what it is worth, that was an outstanding and sensible post. For me, you have provided all the elements for winning with a risk quotient equal to any PL/FO strategy. Bravo.
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