The Midnight Skulker - 07 September 2011 03:45 PM

The Wizard of Odds gives it as 24.7%!  Of course that depends on the pay table.  I think the one he used was 2000:1 for all six points.  In any event, luck happens, but the house has the players as a group by whatever the players don’t want the house to have them by.

When you consider the large house advantage plus, you have to pay tax on 300:1 wins, it makes the fire bet the worst bet you can make on the craps table by a large margin. Never make a fire bet. Ever.

PokerPlayer - 18 September 2011 05:28 PM

The Midnight Skulker - 07 September 2011 03:45 PM

The Wizard of Odds gives it as 24.7%!  Of course that depends on the pay table.  I think the one he used was 2000:1 for all six points.  In any event, luck happens, but the house has the players as a group by whatever the players don’t want the house to have them by.

When you consider the large house advantage plus, you have to pay tax on 300:1 wins, it makes the fire bet the worst bet you can make on the craps table by a large margin. Never make a fire bet. Ever.

While a terrible bet, I disagree. The worst bet i’ve ever seen on a crap table is [BIG 6/BIG 8], those are by far the worst bests I’ve ever seen.

hard not to throw a check or two at the fire when you’ve hit a six-pointer before….

bad bet or not….just sayin…

In reality….every bet is bad when you’re immediately at a statistical disadvantage as soon as your chips hit the felt.

Play craps for fun, knuckleheads, and stop trying to make a living….

ComeBet - 18 September 2011 08:54 PM

The worst bet i’ve ever seen on a crap table is [BIG 6/BIG 8], those are by far the worst bests I’ve ever seen.

I heartily agree simply because there is another bet available that wins and loses under the exact same conditions as the corner red bets, but pays better than even money.  I refer of course to the place bets on those numbers.

Regarding the ” FireBet” -

I find it to be an intersting and potentially lucrative ” SideBet ” -

Much more potentially profitable than some of the asinine ” crazy crapper ” proposition bets on the table -

As far as the ” ODDS ” of this bet -

Who gives a flying f*ck -

If you have a ” shooter ” -

You have a good chance of winning a few or many bucks -

When you have the ” Shake, Rattle and Rollers ”  -

Anything is possible - Although I would not bet the farm on these schmucks -

Last Saturday evening a fellow at SL1 from Brooklyn hit 5 numbers -

Multiple repeats I might add -

A few rounds after I hit 4 also with multiple repeats -

Unfortunately, I was not betting on his roll - he did - his $5 bet returned $2,500-

My pissy $3 bet returned $75 -

Say what you may about the ” FireBet ” -

I am a believer and a bettor when it comes to this bet -

By the way - Ceaser’s AC is getting the FireBet on their layoutin the very near future -

Ceaser’s AC has 11 twelve foot craps tables !

I see your point, but Im not one to go outside the low casino advantage plays. I avoid everything that gives a higher house advantage then the place bets of 6&8.

I once added place bets of 5 & 9 to my common level of play but found my bank roll was being depleted even faster then I anticipated. by a factor of 2x.

For me it’s a dollar, agreed. But i Can toke the dealers and I might If I see the bet put a two way bet on it for both myself and the dealers, but past that the efficency lost is rather large.

ComeBet - 22 September 2011 05:30 PM

I see your point, but Im not one to go outside the low casino advantage plays. I avoid everything that gives a higher house advantage then the place bets of 6&8.

I once added place bets of 5 & 9 to my common level of play but found my bank roll was being depleted even faster then I anticipated. by a factor of 2x.

For me it’s a dollar, agreed. But i Can toke the dealers and I might If I see the bet put a two way bet on it for both myself and the dealers, but past that the efficency lost is rather large.

Personally, I do not toke the dealers -

They have no influence over the outcome of my toss one way or the other -

I realize that they might make less than minimun wage -

But on the other hand - they have a job - and it is by their choice that they elected to whore themselves to the casinos -

IF I have a winning episode at the tables and IF I elect to throw them a few extra dollars that I won -

I will gladly give it to them—

I am under no obligation to sustain their living standard -

If the casinos were so concerned -

Let them ensure the welfare of their employees -

I am a businessman and I have employees that count on me for their livelyhood -

I meet and endeavour to exceed my obligations to my people -

The casinos’ obligation to their employees is their concern - NOT MINE -

F*CK THEM !!!!!!!!!

I will tip the cocktail waitress who brings me free drinks with the casino’s intent to make make me ” loose and/or at ease ” in order for them to liberate my money from me to put into their chip stacks -

I was not born yesterday -

As usual I have gotten off the topic of conversation -

I apologize !

TwinStix - 18 September 2011 11:06 PM

hard not to throw a check or two at the fire when you’ve hit a six-pointer before….

bad bet or not….just sayin…

In reality….every bet is bad when you’re immediately at a statistical disadvantage as soon as your chips hit the felt.

Play craps for fun, knuckleheads, and stop trying to make a living….

I have ” sex ” for fun -

I go to the casino to take their money - it’s a job - not fun - it’s strictly business - nothing personal !

$nakeEye$ - 22 September 2011 07:49 PM

Personally, I do not toke the dealers -

[snip]

I will tip the cocktail waitress ...

How is the (rewardable) service of the cocktail waitress different from the (not rewardable) service of the dealers?  Not trying to start a fight here, but this seems inconsistent as neither of these service providers have any direct effect on your profit/loss.

The Midnight Skulker - 27 September 2011 11:49 PM

$nakeEye$ - 22 September 2011 07:49 PM

Personally, I do not toke the dealers -

[snip]

I will tip the cocktail waitress ...

How is the (rewardable) service of the cocktail waitress different from the (not rewardable) service of the dealers?  Not trying to start a fight here, but this seems inconsistent as neither of these service providers have any direct effect on your profit/loss.

From the cocktail waitress I / we are at least receiving a ” freebee ” from the casino -

I drink Heinekin beer and Linda drinks either Vodka or Chardonnay wine -

There is probably no discernable difference between the dealers and waitresses -

A while back - at home when my betting strategy was to only bet MY established point with odds -

I placed a $2 bet on the top of my passline wager -

On a win I would throw the dealers a $1 -
There were sessions when there were a whole lot of $1 in the dealers toke stack -

I really never gave this any thought prior to your mentioning this -

I am in this not as entertainment nor amusement in any way, shape or form -

As I stated in previous posts - I do not believe that it is my responsability to contribute to the livlihood of underpaid casino dealers -

I have had to cut my workforce by 75% in the last few years due to lack of work -

These dealers have a job -

If they are dis-satisfied with their pay - leave -

One of my daughters or my son once remarked to Linda and I -

I do not want to work for you - I want a real job -

Well - he’s in the US Navy - career guy -

As for the girls - they’re in the medical field -

Working for the ” MAN ” -

I’m 63 - work a few more years - pack it in - close up shop -

What a waste -

Been in business since 1988 -

Established a reputable reputation in our field of work -

And because someone broke their fingernail she decided to ” Get a REAL JOB ” =

Getting back on track of the subject -

I will contemplate making wager(s) for the dealers -

But on my terms -

I will control the bet - and I will disperse winnings to them at my direction / discretion -

Not theirs -

I have no anomosity towards these people =

The fact of the matter is simply that I have been absorbed in my own playing methods that I never gave thought about the ” other side ” of the table !

Here’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. 

http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/they-also-serve-who-stand-and-deal-1454

The Midnight Skulker - 28 September 2011 01:12 AM

Here’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. 

http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/they-also-serve-who-stand-and-deal-1454

Interesting article -

Perhaps I will put a $2 cap on my PL wager - and if it wins - toss the dealers $1 - and let the $2 cap remain -

In this way -

It is essentially the casino who is tipping the dealer -

I used to do something similar at the BJ tables -

I think by placing a bet next to yours for the dealer is a foolish manuevour on the players part -

Also any place bet could also be ” capped ” in this manner -

You would probably need to instruct the dealer that ” You’re on my back for the $1 and I control it ” !

Not toking dealers = bad karma….

just sayin’...

I don’t tip except for the fire bet or sharp shooter if I am on it their on it for a buck anyway if I have a real good session I will tip but that ain’t been the case as of late
+1 on the bad karma lol