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Anyone tried dark side betting?
Posted: 05 July 2010 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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beatcasinocraps - 04 July 2010 11:26 PM
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beatcasinocraps - 03 July 2010 12:36 PM

I am a Dark Side player. I have been having success with the Dark Side for a long time. I do agree with what one member here said about it ruining the atmosphere. I hate being that person that ruins it, but then again, I am at the casino to make money not to have fun. Most people, seem to lose so I guess they are there to have fun. But at times it can be fun being a dark side player. I don’t really mess around with too many of the dark side bets. I zone in on one bet and use everything else at the table to my advantage. I always make sure to scout out a table before I plat at it. If I see people smiling and cheering, then there is no way that I am going to play at the table. If that table is my only choice then I stand there to wait for it to turn warm or cold. A table cannot stay hot forever, that would be bad for the casino. I have written a up a method on how to consistently make money as a dark side player. You can find it at beatcasinocraps.com.

I checked it out. It’s a load of crap!
Cheers,
Alan Shank

I am interested in why you say that. I noticed that there are some typos on my site so that doesn’t help my case. I need to get better eyes. But why would the system be a load of crap?
I didn’t really provide too much information about the system on the site so I am assuming that you are coming from the prospective that all system sellers scam people which seems to be true for the most part. But I just want to lay out what I have done here.

I have not found some sort of magical bet on the craps table that is a holy grail. There is no such bet. If there was then craps would not exist.
The bet that I use is one of the most simple bets that you can find on the table. I’ll even tell you all what it is since I already posted which side I play on. The bet is the Don’t Pass Line bet. See it does exist!!!

Brilliant!

beatcasinocraps - 04 July 2010 11:26 PM

Now here is the thing..the key to success with this dark side bet is not the bet itself, it is how you play the bet. It has nothing to do with laying odds, it has a lot to do with how you look at the table. I have a unique way of looking at the table that has made this bet my most successful bet.

Exactly! Any system based on evaluation of past rolls at a dice table is founded on logical error. The “Fallacy of the Table Temperature”, I call it. It is closely related to the classic Gambler’s Fallacy.

beatcasinocraps - 04 July 2010 11:26 PM

This is what has brought me success. I was explaining to one of my clients tonight that there is a difference between winning and playing. Winning craps is an art. It is kind of funny how I spent so long trying to figure this game out and then a couple of years ago I realized how to play the most basic bet at the table.

Of course, the DP bet is just the mirror image of the pass bet, except for the bar, of course. Your chances of winning it are “micro-better” than the pass line. “Once you get past the comeout” is, of course, the difficult part, since the house advantage on the comeout roll is no less than 45.45%!

beatcasinocraps - 04 July 2010 11:26 PM

I am basically selling my work, my art, that has brought me some success. but for those of you who don’t want to buy it, that is fine. I am offering to help people and I guess, as they say..time is money..But anyway, I suggest that you just take a look at the don’t pass line bet and try to look at things a little different. Think outside of the box.

In my view, you are selling snake oil. Here are a couple of quotes:

“BeatCasinoCraps.com is offering you the opportunity to learn a simple, yet powerful formula for consistently winning at the craps table. Imagine walking up to the table and doubling or tripling your money while other people are lose big. Imagine the feeling of strength that will overcome you as you dominate the casino.”

So, here you imply that your system will allow the player to double or triple his/her buyin.

“-This System has over an 84% win rate.”

And here, you claim to win five out of six times, although you don’t say what constitutes a “win” - is this a progression, a session, or what?

Of course, it is possible to come up with a system that wins much more often than it loses, but since the overall expectation must always be edge * action, the losses must be much greater than the wins. OTOH, a system designed to double or triple one’s bankroll will result in many more losing than winning sessions.

My advice is - save your money to bet on playing craps! >grin
Cheers,
Alan Shank

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Posted: 05 July 2010 09:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Here is another quote from the FAQ on this Website:

“The bet that we focus on will give you the greatest odds of winning after you make it past the come-out roll. Most of the time you make it past the come-out roll, thus the odds will be in your favor that your bet will win.”

This is extremely misleading, this “most of the time”. In fact, you make it past the comeout roll two-thirds of the time. Sound good? Well, consider these numbers:

lose comeout 440
win comeout 165
push comeout 55         (165 wins, 440 losses)

win on point 6 or 8 300
lose on point 6 or 8 250
win on point 5 or 9 264
lose on point 5 or 9 176
win on point 4 or 10 220
lose on point 4 or 10 110   (784 wins, 536 losses)

So, your expected winning percentage on the comeout is just 27.27%, while your expected winning percentage on points is 59.39%.

Certainly, the DP has the lowest HA on the table, excepting some buy bets under the most favorable rules, but it also has quite low variance, which can be good or bad, depending on your goal(s). Without laying odds and/or progressive betting, a player is extremely unlikely to double his/her buying, since the excess of wins over losses is the only profit.

The rest of the system, it appears, is based on a (deliberate?) misunderstanding of the concept of independent, random events.
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Alan Shank

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Posted: 05 July 2010 12:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Exactly! Any system based on evaluation of past rolls at a dice table is founded on logical error. The “Fallacy of the Table Temperature”, I call it. It is closely related to the classic Gambler’s Fallacy.

Very interesting fallacy that you have come up with there.

Of course, the DP bet is just the mirror image of the pass bet, except for the bar, of course. Your chances of winning it are “micro-better” than the pass line. “Once you get past the comeout” is, of course, the difficult part, since the house advantage on the comeout roll is no less than 45.45%!

You are 100% right about that. Sort of like baccarat where some people think it is to your advantage to bet banker all of the time, the odds are so small that you don’t have much of an edge. However, the trick is timing. I never bet every single roll. Doing so would be fatal to my buy-in. Success in gambling is all about the right timing combined with discipline. If things go south then I deploy something that I call Zone Betting. It is still the same bet, just played different. As i stated, it is possible to focus on one bet and make a consistent profit. It is all in how you play the bet.

In my view, you are selling snake oil.

Maybe snake oil could be what solves our energy problems. I wonder if anybody has ever thought of that. Just a thought.

So, here you imply that your system will allow the player to double or triple his/her buyin.

Well yes, this can be true. However, I state in the manual to always have low expectations. If you are flat betting then I suggest a buy in of 10 units. If you hit a good table it is very easy to double your buy-in flat betting play the way that I lay out. Using my positive progression I have had 100 unit wins, but they are very rare. I personally settle for small consistent 5-10 unit wins.

Making money consistently depends upon finding the safest and most effective way to win. Part of this staying within the realms of reality.

My advice is - save your money to bet on playing craps! >grin

haha and I am sure many people will follow your advice. That is good advice. There are multiple ways to win. However, it is often hard to find a safe way to win.

Certainly, the DP has the lowest HA on the table, excepting some buy bets under the most favorable rules, but it also has quite low variance, which can be good or bad, depending on your goal(s). Without laying odds and/or progressive betting, a player is extremely unlikely to double his/her buying, since the excess of wins over losses is the only profit.

That is a very sad fact about flat betting. I do present flat betting as an option and it often works. I actually do flat bet from time to time. The thing is that the player must have low expectations win wise. Now i use a slight negative progression and sometimes I’ll deploy my positive progression. Both of which allow for the chance to double the session buy in. Again, safety is key for me. I will not play a progression if I know that I am going to risk my buy-in and at the same time I never buy-in for more than 10-20 units. With such a low buy-in it is possible to double it. When you combine this with my method of selecting the bet you have something that is successful. But as you pointed out, there are many ways to go about having more wins than losses. The question should be, what do you want to risk to win? Anything above 20 units is too steep for me. My main income is dependent upon craps so why would I want to put my bankroll in jeopardy? 

One thing that we cannot get away from is the importance of discipline. I see a lot craps players who I meet have very little of it. Discipline creates a world of difference especially when flat betting. when flat betting I use something that I call exit windows. Basically I need to see something occur profit wise which will indicate the optimal time to exit the shoe. My ebook is not all about the system, it is contains a lot of advice on how to ensure that you play smart. and I hope that you can agree how important discipline is with gambling.

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Posted: 05 July 2010 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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beatcasinocraps - 05 July 2010 12:22 PM

Exactly! Any system based on evaluation of past rolls at a dice table is founded on logical error. The “Fallacy of the Table Temperature”, I call it. It is closely related to the classic Gambler’s Fallacy.

Very interesting fallacy that you have come up with there.

Of course, the DP bet is just the mirror image of the pass bet, except for the bar, of course. Your chances of winning it are “micro-better” than the pass line. “Once you get past the comeout” is, of course, the difficult part, since the house advantage on the comeout roll is no less than 45.45%!

You are 100% right about that. Sort of like baccarat where some people think it is to your advantage to bet banker all of the time, the odds are so small that you don’t have much of an edge. However, the trick is timing. I never bet every single roll. Doing so would be fatal to my buy-in. Success in gambling is all about the right timing combined with discipline. If things go south then I deploy something that I call Zone Betting. It is still the same bet, just played different. As i stated, it is possible to focus on one bet and make a consistent profit. It is all in how you play the bet.

So, are you clairvoyant? Or is your decision on when/how much to bet based on the recent “history” of rolls? In any case, there is no way to predict the next roll, decision or series of either, so it’s one side or another of the Gambler’s Fallacy.
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Alan Shank

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Posted: 05 July 2010 01:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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goatcabin - 05 July 2010 01:45 PM
beatcasinocraps - 05 July 2010 12:22 PM

Exactly! Any system based on evaluation of past rolls at a dice table is founded on logical error. The “Fallacy of the Table Temperature”, I call it. It is closely related to the classic Gambler’s Fallacy.

Very interesting fallacy that you have come up with there.

Of course, the DP bet is just the mirror image of the pass bet, except for the bar, of course. Your chances of winning it are “micro-better” than the pass line. “Once you get past the comeout” is, of course, the difficult part, since the house advantage on the comeout roll is no less than 45.45%!

You are 100% right about that. Sort of like baccarat where some people think it is to your advantage to bet banker all of the time, the odds are so small that you don’t have much of an edge. However, the trick is timing. I never bet every single roll. Doing so would be fatal to my buy-in. Success in gambling is all about the right timing combined with discipline. If things go south then I deploy something that I call Zone Betting. It is still the same bet, just played different. As i stated, it is possible to focus on one bet and make a consistent profit. It is all in how you play the bet.

So, are you clairvoyant? Or is your decision on when/how much to bet based on the recent “history” of rolls? In any case, there is no way to predict the next roll, decision or series of either, so it’s one side or another of the Gambler’s Fallacy.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

I wish I was..but even if I was that would be something impossible to teach. You are correct, there is no way to predict the next roll. I don’t believe that there is any system out there that is capable of predicting the next roll with 100% accuracy. So what is the next best thing? I would assume that the next best thing is an educated guess. That is all that gambling really is..educated guessing (or uneducated guessing, I guess it depends how one plays). My educated guess is based off of taking in as much information as possible. I will never be able to see the decision before it happens, but I can hope to come to an estimation of what I expect to happen based on many variables. And when my educated guessing is not the best, my progression (when I use it) helps get me through the tough times. My progression allows me to sustain getting the crap beat out of my by the table which is rare.

I just realized I missed your questions about the history of rolls. I guess you can say that it is somewhat of a factor that I consider however I tend to look at the bigger picture rather than just the history of rolls. I believe that looking at the history of rolls alone is somewhat limiting, because as you have pointed out, there is the issue of gamblers Fallacy.

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Posted: 05 July 2010 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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beatcasinocraps - 05 July 2010 01:56 PM

I wish I was..but even if I was that would be something impossible to teach. You are correct, there is no way to predict the next roll. I don’t believe that there is any system out there that is capable of predicting the next roll with 100% accuracy. So what is the next best thing? I would assume that the next best thing is an educated guess. That is all that gambling really is..educated guessing (or uneducated guessing, I guess it depends how one plays). My educated guess is based off of taking in as much information as possible. I will never be able to see the decision before it happens, but I can hope to come to an estimation of what I expect to happen based on many variables. And when my educated guessing is not the best, my progression (when I use it) helps get me through the tough times. My progression allows me to sustain getting the crap beat out of my by the table which is rare.

I just realized I missed your questions about the history of rolls. I guess you can say that it is somewhat of a factor that I consider however I tend to look at the bigger picture rather than just the history of rolls. I believe that looking at the history of rolls alone is somewhat limiting, because as you have pointed out, there is the issue of gamblers Fallacy.

The only educated guess you can make is this: The probability of winning the next DP decision is .47929, the probability of losing it is .49292 and the probability of a push is .02777. The rest of it is one fallacy or another, in some combination.
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Alan Shank

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Posted: 07 July 2010 07:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Alan has done a pretty good job of addressing my concerns with your product, so to avoid piling on I will confine my comments to a couple of statements from your web site.  I consider these statements, or ones similar, to be giant red flags.

“This System has over an 84% win rate.”  Is that all?  A simple three-level Pass Line Martingale will win close to 89% of the time!  There are a number of free systems—I prefer the term “methods”—that have a win rate of 99.5%.  Oscar’s Grind comes to mind immediately, and it is easily obtained with a Google search.  As Alan noted, an impressive won-loss record means nothing; it is profit-loss that is important.

“We teach you how to select the right craps table and why selecting the right craps table is so important to your success.”  I would call this a weasel clause; customers who lose did not select the right table.  In a game of random and independent trials, such as craps, all tables are identical; there is no right or wrong table.  Yes, there are different trends at different tables, trends which we label as hot, cold, and choppy, but these trends describe the past only.  The only way your method for selecting a table could be anything other than smoke and mirrors is for there to be some force or agent present that is causing the die rolls to be non-random.

Unlike Alan, I believe precision shooters exist, though in much smaller numbers than the teachers of that skill claim.  I also believe there may be more to this game than just the numbers.  If either or both of these wishes—I mean, beliefs, are true then there may be some way to exploit a trend.  Unfortunately, trends can occur due to the normal operation of randomness, so even if some trends can be caused by something, the player who assumes that is the case is on a very slippery slope indeed.  (For a more detailed thought on this subject see http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/to-continue-or-not-to-continue-that-is-the-question-5905.)

So is your e-book snake oil?  Let’s just say I doubt you have a truly winning (as in long-term profitable) system.  That is not to say your e-book is trash.  (BTW your site doesn’t mention what it costs, which makes an evaluation of its worth impossible.)  Your suggestions on money management may be of value, confining your bets to the one with the lowest house advantage is smart play, and keeping a player occupied but out of action while evaluating a table reduces exposure to the house advantage for any given time period.  Bottom line: caveat emptor.

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Posted: 07 July 2010 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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This stuff reminds me of “redleathers” on the old rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. He claimed to have a system that delivered about a 4% player advantage, based on choosing when to make bets and having a very strict stop-loss. The big difference was the redleathers was not trying to sell his system. Rather, he didn’t give it away because he said people would mis-use it. >grin
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Posted: 07 July 2010 12:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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“This System has over an 84% win rate.”  Is that all?  A simple three-level Pass Line Martingale will win close to 89% of the time!  There are a number of free systems—I prefer the term “methods”—that have a win rate of 99.5%.  Oscar’s Grind comes to mind immediately, and it is easily obtained with a Google search.  As Alan noted, an impressive won-loss record means nothing; it is profit-loss that is important.

Yes you are correct about profit being important. I wasn’t really sure what to say about win rate. My win rate is much higher. I however, dropped it down because I don’t want someone purchasing a system with expectations of obtaining the holy grail. Someone could bet their entire life away. I figured if I show that it has more potential to lose then it actually has then maybe some people who are too desperate will think twice.

You said profit is important. I agree 100% with you. The thing that matters is how are you wiling to make your profit? Do you want to put more money on the table and put your buy-in at greater risk? Or do you want to consistently make a profit (even if it is only a few units) the safe way? Oscar’s Grind can be risky. I like to flat bet or play with a safe negative progression. Even a 3 level martingale is a bit too much. That could be a total loss of 7 units in 3 losses. When you play with big units, you do not want to lose 7 units that fast.

Another aspect of making a profit is unit size. If you bet large units (100+) and play safe then you have the ability to make a couple hundred dollars much faster then it takes to win the same amount with small units. Playing with larger units allows you to hit your win goal faster and get out of the casino faster. If someone is a player who wants to have fun all of the time and does not mine losing money then this system is not for them. I preach getting in and getting out. That is one of the keys to consistent winning. And since I use big units, safety is so important.

“We teach you how to select the right craps table and why selecting the right craps table is so important to your success.”  I would call this a weasel clause; customers who lose did not select the right table.  In a game of random and independent trials, such as craps, all tables are identical; there is no right or wrong table.  Yes, there are different trends at different tables, trends which we label as hot, cold, and choppy, but these trends describe the past only.  The only way your method for selecting a table could be anything other than smoke and mirrors is for there to be some force or agent present that is causing the die rolls to be non-random.

In my play, table selection has made a difference. I do agree that it is not going to give you a huge advantage, but my results have shown that it helps. If you are a DP player and you have a choice of 2 tables, 1 table has a lot of players who are winning, and the other table has a lot of players who are losing, which table would you pick? I would go with the table that has the losing players. This doesn’t mean that I will make money easy, but it is a good indication as to which table the system may preform better on.

Let’s just say I doubt you have a truly winning (as in long-term profitable) system.  That is not to say your e-book is trash.  (BTW your site doesn’t mention what it costs, which makes an evaluation of its worth impossible.)  Your suggestions on money management may be of value, confining your bets to the one with the lowest house advantage is smart play, and keeping a player occupied but out of action while evaluating a table reduces exposure to the house advantage for any given time period.

I understand that you doubt that I have a winning system. I don’t know many people who would think that I have a winning system based on the DP bet. yet, the thing is that there are many factors that go into success. Everything must be meshed together. You need discipline, timing, a solid safe progression and a few more factors. My system is not based on one factor alone. It is not a system backed behind a progression, nor is it a system built around an amazing bet. it is a system that has taken every factor that I could possibly come up with and meshed them together. Consistent winning goes well beyond the bounds of everything that we have been talking about, I feel like it truly is an art. And that is what I am trying to teach..the art of winning based upon my system that has preformed very well for me.

Now to the price. I did list the price. It is on the Order page. I didn’t want to put it on the home page because I wanted people to read some of what I had to say and not be so focused on the price. I had some trouble setting the price. I didn’t know if it is too high or too low.

If you or Alan would like the ebook for free to review it then I will gladly send it to you under the condition that it is not shared with anybody else. You guys can post a review of it, the good and bad (or just all bad) just not share it. I stand behind my system because it has been preforming so well for me.

Let me know what you think about that offer.

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Posted: 07 July 2010 01:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

I stand behind my system because it has been preforming so well for me.

Does that “I stand behind my system” include a money-back guarantee?

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Posted: 07 July 2010 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Up front I need to make a (trivial) correction to my previous post.  A simple three-level Pass Line Martingale will win about 87% of the time, not close to 89% as I stated.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

You said profit is important. I agree 100% with you. The thing that matters is how are you wiling to make your profit? Do you want to put more money on the table and put your buy-in at greater risk? Or do you want to consistently make a profit (even if it is only a few units) the safe way? Oscar’s Grind can be risky. I like to flat bet or play with a safe negative progression. Even a 3 level martingale is a bit too much. That could be a total loss of 7 units in 3 losses. When you play with big units, you do not want to lose 7 units that fast.

A unit is a unit regardless of how big it is.  If 7 units is a catastrophic loss then I have to think one’s unit size is too big.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

Another aspect of making a profit is unit size. If you bet large units (100+) and play safe then you have the ability to make a couple hundred dollars much faster then it takes to win the same amount with small units. Playing with larger units allows you to hit your win goal faster and get out of the casino faster. If someone is a player who wants to have fun all of the time and does not mine losing money then this system is not for them. I preach getting in and getting out. That is one of the keys to consistent winning. And since I use big units, safety is so important.

Indeed, the longer one plays the less chance one has of beating the odds.  Still, 7 units isn’t much of a cushion—unless your method makes bets of less than one unit, in which case your “unit” and my “unit” are different things.  My “unit” is the smallest amount of any bet one makes.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

In my play, table selection has made a difference. I do agree that it is not going to give you a huge advantage, but my results have shown that it helps. If you are a DP player and you have a choice of 2 tables, 1 table has a lot of players who are winning, and the other table has a lot of players who are losing, which table would you pick? I would go with the table that has the losing players. This doesn’t mean that I will make money easy, but it is a good indication as to which table the system may preform better on.

I also look for tables that appear to be trending the way I have decided to bet.  However, I disagree that such an appearance is in any way “a good indication” of anything.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

I understand that you doubt that I have a winning system. I don’t know many people who would think that I have a winning system based on the DP bet. yet, the thing is that there are many factors that go into success. Everything must be meshed together. You need discipline, timing, a solid safe progression and a few more factors. My system is not based on one factor alone. It is not a system backed behind a progression, nor is it a system built around an amazing bet. it is a system that has taken every factor that I could possibly come up with and meshed them together. Consistent winning goes well beyond the bounds of everything that we have been talking about, I feel like it truly is an art. And that is what I am trying to teach..the art of winning based upon my system that has preformed very well for me.

You might be interested in a thread on rec.gambling.craps in November, 1999, in which one MGallups touted a system he developed.  He even enlisted the services of a programmer to validate his claims, and—um—galloped off into the sunset when that programmer’s simulations showed a failure rate of, oddly enough, 0.5%.  The subject of the thread is “Craps system question” if you care to Google it.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

Now to the price. I did list the price. It is on the Order page.

So I presumed, but I didn’t have the interest to go there.

beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

If you or Alan would like the ebook for free to review it then I will gladly send it to you under the condition that it is not shared with anybody else. You guys can post a review of it, the good and bad (or just all bad) just not share it. I stand behind my system because it has been preforming so well for me.

Let me know what you think about that offer.

You have a deal.  Send me your e-mail address by private message and we can set the terms of the non-disclosure agreement by regular e-mail so you will have my address as well.  I am impressed by your offer, BTW.  MGallups was not willing to part with his secret despite the offer of a respected third party, Steen Gramer, author of WinCraps, to program and run an autobet file to determine the system’s failure rate under a non-disclosure agreement similar to the one I presume you will require.

I would also mention that even if your system does not show a long-term profit I might be interested in it if the failure rate is small enough, say less than once in a lifetime.  I’m sure I could size my unit to be able to withstand being so unlucky as to hit the wall.

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Posted: 07 July 2010 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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A unit is a unit regardless of how big it is.  If 7 units is a catastrophic loss then I have to think one’s unit size is too big.

The point that I was trying to make is how fast you can lose the 7 units. And multiple 7 unit losses quickly add up.

I also look for tables that appear to be trending the way I have decided to bet.  However, I disagree that such an appearance is in any way “a good indication” of anything.

I guess I worded it wrong. but if you go to a table that appears to be trending the way that you decided to bet then something must have driven you to that table. Therefore, it does have even a minor influence on your decision. Whether it works or not could be a whole different story.

You might be interested in a thread on rec.gambling.craps in November, 1999, in which one MGallups touted a system he developed.  He even enlisted the services of a programmer to validate his claims, and—um—galloped off into the sunset when that programmer’s simulations showed a failure rate of, oddly enough, 0.5%.  The subject of the thread is “Craps system question” if you care to Google it.

i see this type of thing happen all of the time on forums. My only question is, can a computer simulate the human factor? For example, can you build the discipline and so on into the program? that would probably make a difference.

My system could fail..I’m not going to say it wont. I haven’t been playing it for hundreds of years. Only a couple. If I were to say that it would not fail a computer sim for sure then that would be denying the true nature of gambling which there is no denying. The odds are always against us.

You have a deal.  Send me your e-mail address by private message and we can set the terms of the non-disclosure agreement by regular e-mail so you will have my address as well.  I am impressed by your offer, BTW.  MGallups was not willing to part with his secret despite the offer of a respected third party, Steen Gramer, author of WinCraps, to program and run an autobet file to determine the system’s failure rate under a non-disclosure agreement similar to the one I presume you will require.

I would also mention that even if your system does not show a long-term profit I might be interested in it if the failure rate is small enough, say less than once in a lifetime.  I’m sure I could size my unit to be able to withstand being so unlucky as to hit the wall.

I will send you my address now. After we come to an agreement we can post the agreement here. I have no problem with you posting anything negative, positive, failure rate, or opinions, just not the system. I am always open to hear what other people have to say. And if it does fail, I will probably keep playing it until it stops working for me.

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Posted: 04 August 2010 10:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 03:03 PM
The Midnight Skulker - 07 July 2010 01:48 PM
beatcasinocraps - 07 July 2010 12:50 PM

If you or Alan would like the ebook for free to review it then I will gladly send it to you under the condition that it is not shared with anybody else. You guys can post a review of it, the good and bad (or just all bad) just not share it. I stand behind my system because it has been preforming so well for me.

Let me know what you think about that offer.

You have a deal.  Send me your e-mail address by private message and we can set the terms of the non-disclosure agreement by regular e-mail so you will have my address as well.

I will send you my address now. After we come to an agreement we can post the agreement here.

It appears that I will not have the opportunity to review beatcasinocraps’s system for we have been unable to reach a mutually acceptable non-disclosure agreement.

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Posted: 18 December 2010 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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I’ve tried the dark side, get spanked almost every time although I’ve had a couple nice wins on the dark, more so on the pass.

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Posted: 22 December 2010 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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jeremiahj - 18 December 2010 12:59 PM

I’ve tried the dark side, get spanked almost every time although I’ve had a couple nice wins on the dark, more so on the pass.

Playing the don’ts certainly seems to be a grind, and does indeed have its disadvantages IMHO.
    1. Dark siders are generally considered pariah.  To avoid direct conflict with the right side players they must refrain from openly rooting for craps and sevens, and celebrating wins.  IOW it just isn’t as much fun to play the don’ts.
    2. Although edge and volatility are pretty close to the same for both sides a hot table can destroy a don’t player faster than a cold table can destroy a do player because the don’t player has to put up the long end of odds bets.  (Of course this is balanced over all by the probability of a cold table being greater than that of a hot table.)
    3. With a competent crew front side wins at a hot table come every 30 seconds.  At a cold table the don’t side win rate is much slower due to the delays associated with taking losing Pass Line bets and changing shooters.
    4. Right siders dream of finding a hot shooter, one who holds the dice for a long period of time.  Wrong siders obviously hope for the opposite: a shooter with a dark cloud over his/her head.  Unfortunately, such a shooter doesn’t get to hold the dice for very long.
    5. Hot tables attract players; cold tables repel them.  IOW don’t players often find themselves alone at a favorable table while do players rarely do.

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