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Im curious how long other people watch a craps table before they buy in. I know to look for the amount of chips in the rails of the other players, but how many rolls do you wait for and in those rolls, how many 7’s are to many to decide to not play or go to another table. I once made the mistake to buy in because several players had a lot of chips, but I didnt notice untill I started betting that they were playing the dont side D’oh….. Do you guys use a 5 count or do you use some other measure???
Being as it’s a 2.25-hour drive, one way, to my “local casino” I’m there to play, not watch. Hence, I have already decided on my strategy and jump into the action when I arrive. That said, I no longer cling to that strategy if it isn’t working. (BTW I do use the 5-count when I’m front side.)
Being as it’s a 2.25-hour drive, one way, to my “local casino” I’m there to play, not watch. Hence, I have already decided on my strategy and jump into the action when I arrive. That said, I no longer cling to that strategy if it isn’t working. (BTW I do use the 5-count when I’m front side.)
Do you use the 5 count thinking the 7 is more likely to show after 5 rolls of not showing ? ......I forgot what that’s called, but I’m sure you get my drift.
Since you posted this in a forum for beginners, I feel compelled to comment on the advice provided by Mr $nake.
When he talks about “The most important premise in all doctrination regarding craps play” he is stating an opinion held by those who believe that you can controll or influence the dice. There are many many others who do not feel that dice influencing is a reality. I am one of them. I believe that every roller is a random roller - that every roll of the dice produces a random result.
You need to come to your own conclusion whether to believe in it or not. Once you make up you mind, you can interpret the “advice” given by believers or non-believers on this board appropriately.It is hard sometimes to differentiate fact from opinion on this board.
In answer to your quesiton, I am at the casino to gamble. I get to a table and buy in as soon as it is feasible and polite to do so. I will often stand at my spot with my money in my hand waiting for a break in the action. I think it is rude to interrupt the flow of the game by throwing money on the table. I accept that this is superstition, but it is one held by many so I won’t do it. It can be painful sometimes to stand and watch a hot table.
Im kinda surprised by the responses and lack of responses to this question. I admit when I posted it, I was thinking more of a vegas type casino with multiple craps tables, but I do realize that a local smaller casion may have only one. Even so, Im suprised by the lack of responses that it seems that everyone just walks up and plays without “scouting” the table. Im not superstitious and I dont believe in dice influencing, but even though each roll of the dice is an independant event, I do believe there are hot, choppy and cold tables at any given time. For people to just walk up and play at a cold table because there is only one table is just throwing their money away. I would think its better to watch the table and if it doesent look good come back in a half hour or so.
Im kinda surprised by the responses and lack of responses to this question. I admit when I posted it, I was thinking more of a vegas type casino with multiple craps tables, but I do realize that a local smaller casion may have only one. Even so, Im suprised by the lack of responses that it seems that everyone just walks up and plays without “scouting” the table. Im not superstitious and I dont believe in dice influencing, but even though each roll of the dice is an independant event, I do believe there are hot, choppy and cold tables at any given time. For people to just walk up and play at a cold table because there is only one table is just throwing their money away. I would think its better to watch the table and if it doesent look good come back in a half hour or so.
Just my 2 cents.
I, like others, walk up to a table and just play. But let me ask you, since you don’t believe in DI and you believe that each roll of the dice is independent, then how do you know that the hot table you are watching will continue to be hot? Or cold? Or choppy?
If you believed in DI, then I could understand that you would believe a hot table would continue to be hot because the DI is throwing well. But since you don’t, it doesn’t make sense for you to believe that hot streaks are anything but a bunch of independent non-7 events strung together. If you believe that a hot table tends to stay hot, then you are basically saying that for some reason the 7 is not as likely to show in the next few rolls as it statistically should because it has not shown up in the past few rolls. And that, good sir, is not believing in independent events.
You are contradicting yourself. And that’s ok because you can have it both ways, since they’re your beliefs. But just know that you’re contradicting yourself.
You have gotten answers….I just don’t think you like the answers.
I know there are people who walk up and look for the telltale sign of a winning shooter that of course we all can recognize. Or we can walk up to a table and know immediately that the next 9 shooters are going to seven out. So if you have that ability to predict the fuuture roll of the dice, you know what to do. Just walk up and play the way the craps gods are whispering in your ear.
Sorry man…it does not work that way. If you are not superstitious and if you do not believe in dice influencing, then you have no reason to wait, other than to be polite.
If you go to a casino to play craps- then play craps.
Another scenario to consider, and my prefered; A dormant table. Crew standing there waiting for your action. You’re not going to see any practice rolls playing solo, and you can’t blame anybody but yourself for outs. No waiting. Just walk up and lay it down, and toke ‘em on the front end.
I often see this individual. He (always a he) walks up and examines the the table. I’m thinking “It’s a craps table, a** hole” If he takes out his money, I will as an aside mention to the dealers, “Another bad shooter joins the table” Why? Well if you have any self confidence in your game, you don’t need to examine the stinking table, you just buy in and get to work. If you don’t like the table population or available throwing position(s) you move to the next table or casino.
I guess Im just talking from experience. I’ve been at a tables as it turned cold so Im making minumium bets to perserve the bankroll to see if I can wait for the up swing. Along comes big spender, buys in for several thousand with out scouting the table, makes large bets and he and his buy in is gone in 15 minutes. I will watch a table before buying in just to see what the dice are doing.
I guess Im just talking from experience. I’ve been at a tables as it turned cold so Im making minumium bets to perserve the bankroll to see if I can wait for the up swing. Along comes big spender, buys in for several thousand with out scouting the table, makes large bets and he and his buy in is gone in 15 minutes. I will watch a table before buying in just to see what the dice are doing.
[Best Forrest Gump immitation] “A craps table is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get”.
This past weekend, walked up to a semi-crowded table, asked the guy next to me how it was, he stated it just warmed up. Next 14 rolls resulted in 6 sevens, none of which were comeout rolls, and not a single six or eight to be seen. Just warmed up for the perfect storm.
Word, Bonedance!! If ya’ stand around waiting for the table conditions to be perfect, you just might miss the next “heater” that does roll…get your feet wet, be alert, aware and get in action. Like my 1st wife said,“only one thing’ll grow in your hand…and it AIN"T money…lol! Good luck!!!
Here’s an old attack. Just wait for duplicating #s. Aim high 6859. Then start a Pass/Come “The Facts of Craps” author Walter P. Nolan. Also there’s a pile of winning craps stuff “YouTube.” Simply look for the (best winning craps systems). Stop worrying why shooters are tossing dough around and start knowing why it is that anyone (yes even you) can now Checkmate the table and force it to pay out. The only reason any game is boring is you’re not winning. Good Luck!
Here’s an old attack. Just wait for duplicating #s. Aim high 6859. Then start a Pass/Come “The Facts of Craps” author Walter P. Nolan. Also there’s a pile of winning craps stuff “YouTube.” Simply look for the (best winning craps systems). Stop worrying why shooters are tossing dough around and start knowing why it is that anyone (yes even you) can now Checkmate the table and force it to pay out. The only reason any game is boring is you’re not winning. Good Luck!
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