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The item doesn’t say how many decisions, but it was 154 rolls over four hours and 18 minutes. Without a number of decisions, I cannot figure the probability.
The prior record referred to was three hours, six minutes and 118 rolls, with 18 passline wins. It doesn’t say how many decisions, as there were presumably some craps in there. The probability of 18 passline decisions without sevening out is .00011 or about 8725 to 1 odds against. If we assume 20 decisions (2 craps), the probability would be .000042, or odds of 23915 to 1 against.
118 rolls in 3:06 s is a minute-and-a-half per roll. 154 rolls in 4:18 is even slower. Can those be right? In any case, basing a “record” on time is pretty pointless, since the rate of rolls/hour is a major factor. Is there a record for decisions, or rolls?
I once rolled the dice 56 times without a seven, odds against which are over 27,000 to 1. Of course, with millions of people playing craps all over the world, extremes are bound to occur.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
118 rolls in 3:06 s is a minute-and-a-half per roll. 154 rolls in 4:18 is even slower. Can those be right?
I would imagine there were quite a few fills, which would slow the game down. I once played at a casino in Jean, NV—can’t remember the name of it now, but it was not Gold Strike—where a novice crew was taking 70 seconds between rolls at a half-full table. When the table is on fire I suppose it would be full for most of the hand with very heavy action. Still, 90+ seconds/roll seems a bit slow for a moderately competent crew. I suspect word from above was to slow things down; I’ve heard dealers make comments to that effect: “Slow ‘em down when they’re hot, speed ‘em when they’re cold.”
I was at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, NV when the shooter during a single hand rolled nearly an hour without sevening out; and the point was a 5. Play had stopped three times to bring in more checks. The table was covered w/ chip and people were trying to place bets from the back row even. And right when the player sevened out they closed the table down. go fugure? So crunch the number on that one. Not only to figure the odds on a no seven for an hour, but to include a no show on the five.
I’ll also say that alot of people made some considerable amount of money that day. And one gentleman walked with nearly $140k.
I was at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, NV when the shooter during a single hand rolled nearly an hour without sevening out; and the point was a 5. Play had stopped three times to bring in more checks. The table was covered w/ chip and people were trying to place bets from the back row even. And right when the player sevened out they closed the table down. go fugure? So crunch the number on that one. Not only to figure the odds on a no seven for an hour, but to include a no show on the five.
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Unfortunately, you can’t figure any odds on a time basis. You can not roll a seven for hours if you don’t roll the dice. The probability of not sevening out is based on a number of decisions; that of not rolling the five (after the first comeout) is based on a number of rolls. As you describe the situation, it seems that the number of rolls during that hour would have been very low.
I generally stick to the pass line and odds, and it is sometimes frustrating to set a point of 4 or 10, then roll lots of inside numbers, making money for the place bettors, before eventually either making the 4/10 or sevening out. OTOH, if you get an outside point, the place bettors bet everything inside, then you seven out, they lose a lot more. Different patterns of rolls support different methods, and you can never know in advance what’s to come.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
As in all your propability v. possibility that factor into the game maybe you should just stick to the pass line. Many people bach that there may be in place a system(s) for concquering the game of crap. but the interaction at the table can put the what “ifs” for even the best of craps players. I think I stated before that the novice player would most likely be overwelmed by the game even more so then the seasoned shooter/player.
I generally stick to the pass line and odds, and it is sometimes frustrating to set a point of 4 or 10, then roll lots of inside numbers, making money for the place bettors, before eventually either making the 4/10 or sevening out.
Winners Inn; Winnemucca, NV; 2-3 decades ago. I had about a ten-minute hand during which I threw several hardways but did not make my point and therefore lost money. When I sevened out the guy next to me, who had been betting the hardways, turned to me and said, “Good shooting.” I wanted to kill him.
I dont want to take anything away from her accomplishment BUT its possible that the casino set that up for her to win for attention and business.I am sure that place was crazy after she did it and they made TONS of money HOPING they could win like her.Experienced craps players are saying"if a 60 some year old woman can do it so can I”
Records are made to be broken, but this will be a tough one.
I love chicken feeders. I always bet heaviest on them as they have the best rolls. The ones that set the dice usually blow up pretty quick. I enjoy watching them. It is obvious they need more PRACTICE.
Records are made to be broken, but this will be a tough one.
I love chicken feeders. I always bet heaviest on them as they have the best rolls. The ones that set the dice usually blow up pretty quick. I enjoy watching them. It is obvious they need more PRACTICE.
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My interpretation / defination of a ” Chicken Feeder ” is one who ” Shakes, Rattles and Rolls ” the dice with such force that the dice would literally put a dent in the rubber pyramids -
I have also seen these learned individuals go to great length to ” Set the Dice ” - then shake them vigioursly - blow on them - place them next to their ear while shaking them - and send them off down the wild green felt layout !
And Buddy, you do not want to be in the way of those puppies as they come hurtling down the table!
The ones that ” Set the Dice ” and then attempt to toss a cntrolled throw - I do not consider them to be ” ChickenFeeders ” per se.
Regarding betting heavy on them - I will bet on them - moderately - for 3 possibly 4 rolls after they establish their point - then I’m either ” OFF ” or ” DOWN ” with my action till the next ” SharpShooter” shakes, rattles and rolls !
I am assuming she’s a random roller which makes the feat so impressive.Wonder if she gets heat now?
Thats the irony of it all. Its always the random rollers who end up with the record tosses.
I will have to do some research on if the previous records holders were random rollers.She was probably there to have fun and didnt expect it unlike us who train and expect great things.
It amazing to me how much time and energy people put into something such as dice setting; they look at dice setting as a last life line ; a last chance before they go under. They look, look, look for that magic bullet that will give them an edge, Ultimately, all that happens is they shoot themselves in the foot and they keep losing. Nothing really changes. Most, eventually, see the light…....for some, they keep practicing and keep losing. The few random good rolls they get keeps them going. Their focus is better spent on other areas of the game, IMHO.
I guess dice setting gives people hope…..and the loss of hope is a terrible thing.
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