Read about Patricia Demauro’s record craps roll.

The item doesn’t say how many decisions, but it was 154 rolls over four hours and 18 minutes. Without a number of decisions, I cannot figure the probability.

The prior record referred to was three hours, six minutes and 118 rolls, with 18 passline wins. It doesn’t say how many decisions, as there were presumably some craps in there. The probability of 18 passline decisions without sevening out is .00011 or about 8725 to 1 odds against. If we assume 20 decisions (2 craps), the probability would be .000042, or odds of 23915 to 1 against.

118 rolls in 3:06 s is a minute-and-a-half per roll. 154 rolls in 4:18 is even slower. Can those be right? In any case, basing a “record” on time is pretty pointless, since the rate of rolls/hour is a major factor. Is there a record for decisions, or rolls?

I once rolled the dice 56 times without a seven, odds against which are over 27,000 to 1. Of course, with millions of people playing craps all over the world, extremes are bound to occur.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

goatcabin - 17 February 2010 10:49 AM

118 rolls in 3:06 s is a minute-and-a-half per roll. 154 rolls in 4:18 is even slower. Can those be right?

I would imagine there were quite a few fills, which would slow the game down.  I once played at a casino in Jean, NV—can’t remember the name of it now, but it was not Gold Strike—where a novice crew was taking 70 seconds between rolls at a half-full table.  When the table is on fire I suppose it would be full for most of the hand with very heavy action.  Still, 90+ seconds/roll seems a bit slow for a moderately competent crew.  I suspect word from above was to slow things down; I’ve heard dealers make comments to that effect: “Slow ‘em down when they’re hot, speed ‘em when they’re cold.”

I was at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, NV when the shooter during a single hand rolled nearly an hour without sevening out; and the point was a 5.  Play had stopped three times to bring in more checks.  The table was covered w/ chip and people were trying to place bets from the back row even.  And right when the player sevened out they closed the table down. go fugure?  So crunch the number on that one.  Not only to figure the odds on a no seven for an hour, but to include a no show on the five.

  I’ll also say that alot of people made some considerable amount of money that day.  And one gentleman walked with nearly $140k.

Dust

dustedone - 19 February 2010 08:48 AM

I was at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, NV when the shooter during a single hand rolled nearly an hour without sevening out; and the point was a 5.  Play had stopped three times to bring in more checks.  The table was covered w/ chip and people were trying to place bets from the back row even.  And right when the player sevened out they closed the table down. go fugure?  So crunch the number on that one.  Not only to figure the odds on a no seven for an hour, but to include a no show on the five.
Dust

Unfortunately, you can’t figure any odds on a time basis. You can not roll a seven for hours if you don’t roll the dice. The probability of not sevening out is based on a number of decisions; that of not rolling the five (after the first comeout) is based on a number of rolls. As you describe the situation, it seems that the number of rolls during that hour would have been very low.

I generally stick to the pass line and odds, and it is sometimes frustrating to set a point of 4 or 10, then roll lots of inside numbers, making money for the place bettors, before eventually either making the 4/10 or sevening out. OTOH, if you get an outside point, the place bettors bet everything inside, then you seven out, they lose a lot more. Different patterns of rolls support different methods, and you can never know in advance what’s to come.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

As in all your propability v. possibility that factor into the game maybe you should just stick to the pass line.  Many people bach that there may be in place a system(s) for concquering the game of crap.  but the interaction at the table can put the what “ifs” for even the best of craps players.  I think I stated before that the novice player would most likely be overwelmed by the game even more so then the seasoned shooter/player.

goatcabin - 19 February 2010 10:41 AM

I generally stick to the pass line and odds, and it is sometimes frustrating to set a point of 4 or 10, then roll lots of inside numbers, making money for the place bettors, before eventually either making the 4/10 or sevening out.

Winners Inn; Winnemucca, NV; 2-3 decades ago.  I had about a ten-minute hand during which I threw several hardways but did not make my point and therefore lost money.  When I sevened out the guy next to me, who had been betting the hardways, turned to me and said, “Good shooting.”  I wanted to kill him.