Ok so over the last year i have discovered crapless craps.  I’m looking for some good strategies for crapless.  What im doing right now is this.  Im taking 1000 dollars to the table.  I’m bypassing the pass line unless im shooting, and placing the entire across.  Where i gamble, it ends up being 107 across with the vig.  I’m taking every hit until i have my 107 back and then pressing.  On the comout im leaving all numbers off.  I want to adopt a safe strategy to keep the extreme outside numbers (2,3,11,12) working on the come out, or at least get payed on them somehow.  Any insight to crapless would be great.  Also, a hedge for leaving the extreme outside working on comout.  Pressing strategies?  etc.  Thanks !

I must say im shocked,  I thought crapless talk would get a lot of attention.  Was it beat up pretty good already and I missed it?  Somebody throw me a bone.

Lucky4688

Were have you been playing Crapless?  I just started playing it this current year in Detroit.  I tried it a few times in Tunica and Vegas a bit in the past but I was not really knowledgeable so I shied away from it.

In Detroit at the crapless table, I am with a few players who I know their strategies and their dice tendancies.  A few of us have done ok because we know what bets “seem” to be better than others.  Two of the three of us do tend to hit several consistant craps numbers in a hand and we definately place max odds on those when they are the point.

Now, your $107 across,  I look at crapless like any “regular” table and tend to wait for a few toss results.  4 or 5 quick PSO’s and we all start getting sweaty palms.  It may be a bit to high unless of course you have had favorable success with it. 

I personally like to cover the 4 outside numbers ( 2,3,11,12) as it seems that most players do hit those in a hand and the get paid for really quick. I always press the outside with at least 1 unit if it is hit.  If Im pressing one unit the outside payoff might not cover the entire outside place bets (4) but it seems like that craps number is going to be hit again fairly quickly.  Think about this, how often do you see a player toss out 3 or 4 or craps numbers before he even sets hit point. How often are we at a table and see this example of a players hand,,, Her is what he/she tosses 11,3,3,4,11,2,12.5,2,5, and now a 7out.

We look at that and say it sucks.  Well in crapless, you just made 2 points ( the 11 and 2 ) and got hits on 3(2times) and 12(1time).
On the regular table, you never got the 4 hit and if you are playing say $44 inside or covering all for for $54, you had a winner on the 11 comeout and 2 hits of the 5.  Overall you had a loosing hand.  The crapless is a winner. Interesting!

I do passline and single odds and increase odds as the table payouts increase. As for the 6 inside numbers, I tend to place 1 or 2 of them based on the table and shooter.  We see at tables that sometimes a certain number is “king for the day” and shows up on almost every shooter.  If I see that Im placing a bet on that one and maybe one other. 

I know this is not a real system but the three of us have been playing this way the past few months and have had only one loosing session at the crapless(minimal as we saw it coming ) and the other 4 were very good ( 1 great and 3 with decent profits).

I hope this helps a bit.

EagleDice

lucky4688 - 04 August 2012 12:47 PM

Ok so over the last year i have discovered crapless craps.  I’m looking for some good strategies for crapless.

lucky4688 - 08 August 2012 08:07 PM

I must say im shocked,  I thought crapless talk would get a lot of attention.

You asked for good strategies.  Having never played nor even seen the game I can offer none, so I, and apparently others, perhaps for similar reasons, remained silent.  I do have a couple observations, however.
    1. With no Don’t bets and a greater than 5% house advantage on Pass/Come I do not think I am missing anything.
    2. If vig is collected on wins only then buying the horn numbers looks attractive, especially to “see a horn, bet a horn” players.
    3. Obviously the game is identical to the regular version in all other respects.

Tip of the hat to EagleDice,

His last post on this thread is a very important piece that needs to be re-read repeatedly and applied in gaming situations.

Bravo!

Eagle dice,

Yeah 107 across can be a little tough when the pso’s start hittin.  I.ve had some really good luck as well with crapless.  The “traditional” inside stills pays well,  and now I dont have to watch 5 horn numbers in a roll before a 7 out.  I’ve been going to four winds in new buffalo, MI.  I.ve also been looking for a way to get payed on my place bets during the come out.  I.ve been betting a 10 dollar world and found that its profitable.  That way I dont leave.my place bets working and.risk mors than I have.to.  Sure I can lose the 10 dollars but ive made more money doing it than not.  Any thought on that?  Im sold on crapless thats for sure,  no more watching tcrap.  With one 2 or 12 you have.your 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, & 12 payed for.  I do think you have to work all the numbers though,  there no doubt there are gonna be rolls that.u never see crap.  Heres how I press once I get my original investment back.  2/12 - 10, 40, 150, 600,  2500,  5000,  3/11 - 10, 25,  60, 150,  400,  1000, 2500,  5000,  4/10 - 10,  15,  25, 50, 100,  200, 400, 800 1600, 3200, 5000 5\9 - 10, 15, 25, 35 50, 75,  125, 200, 350, 500, 750,  1250, 2000, 3500, 5000 6\8 - 12, 18, 30, 42, 60, 90, 150, 250, 360, 600, 900, 1500, 2400, 3600, 6000.  Have had.huge sucess with this.  Close friend is up 5k for five straigtht sessions.  I dont go as often but im up just over a grand for 3 sessions.

lucky4688 - 11 August 2012 01:57 PM

Eagle dice,

  Heres how I press once I get my original investment back.  2/12 - 10, 40, 150, 600,  2500,  5000,  3/11 - 10, 25,  60, 150,  400,  1000, 2500,  5000,  4/10 - 10,  15,  25, 50, 100,  200, 400, 800 1600, 3200, 5000 5\9 - 10, 15, 25, 35 50, 75,  125, 200, 350, 500, 750,  1250, 2000, 3500, 5000 6\8 - 12, 18, 30, 42, 60, 90, 150, 250, 360, 600, 900, 1500, 2400, 3600, 6000.  Have had.huge sucess with this.  Close friend is up 5k for five straigtht sessions.  I dont go as often but im up just over a grand for 3 sessions.

Hey Lucky,

I like your progression on the pressing. I do the same/similar thing. I actually put this into a math model to figure out the optimal progression, and you are right on. I have an excel spreadsheet that you can play around with to see that it’s always a good thing to press…never regress.

Btw, how far in that progression have you made it? How often?

Keith

kwalter65,

I have had a 600 dollar 2/12, 150 dollar 3/11, 800 dollar 4/10, 350 dollar 5/9, 1200 dollar 6/8(this was a put bet 10$ flat w/1200 odds).  These are the highest numbers i’ve ever had.  I have spent countless hours on excel doing different spreadsheets trying to figure out the optimal pressing system.  This is one of the best i’ve found.  I do have some other ones that are pretty good as well, utilizing BUY bets a little more as well as put bets.  I consider it aggressive to moderately aggresive.  Yeah for sure, i’d like to see that spreadsheet.  I;m always up for checking out new pressing systems.  Do you take your initial investment back before you press.

Lucky,

That’s great! Nice job…I realized from a dealer a couple of years ago that it was better to press every bet instead of every other. I used to press every other bet and many times I went from $12 to $210, which means I had 10+ hits on the 6/8. If I had pressed every bet the difference is net profit is huge. Sure you leave a large amount on the table when that 7 eventually comes but the more you leave on the table then the more you have in the rack. For example, in your 4/10 progression if you reach table limits of $5000, you have $27000 in the rack. I think most people see that money the box man sweeps up as theirs but I see it as a tool to make money that I borrowed from the house. It’s like riding a stock to the top. Who can ever exactly sell it at the top for max profit? If it’s going up, most people aren’t going to sell it until it pulls back a little, leaving some money on the table.

I usually do take back the first hit, unless I’ve been playing for awhile and the table is hot or I’m rolling that number a lot that day.

I also switch the bet to the opposite number (6 to 8, 4 to 10, etc.) if that pressed bet ends up being the come out point. I’ve thought of max odds on my passline and the difference on a placed bet to continue the progression but haven’t done that yet.

I will PM you the file here shortly.

Keith

I’ve definately done that before.  I’ve had a line bet with max odds, but then wanted to press the bet, so i make a place bet along with the line bet.  Thats the downfall of a 3x, 4x, 5x odds table.  As far as when that 7 jumps up.  Its definately a hit to the gut, but like you said, its the houses money.  A 50 percent press is a good up and pull method.  Up a little, pull a little back for yourself.  That way you are definately profiting and it is off the houses money.  I myself dont press until my whole investment is back.  For example, if im 44 inside. I take three hits.  Ill have 42 of my 44 back.  So the next hit im going up.  I never full press or parlay.  The only exception to that is if im profiting and not down for the session.  I may have some fun and full press a couple but its rare.  The pressing system is aggressive enough so i dont wanna screw myself by not taking back my own money before going for the gold.  I’m not sure how you got 27,000 though.  Starting from $10, if you press to 5000 and hit it, you should have profited 17,000 and some change.  Double check that.  Either way it is a great progression and im glad to see someone sees the tremendous benefit to it.

I’ve never seriously played crapless craps but I found a couple of good articles about it.  The second article has a pretty interesting strategy.  I could have used it when I was in Tunica last week.  The Goldstrike had $5 crapless craps.

http://stickman.casinocitytimes.com/article/a-better-way-to-play-crapless-craps-33133

http://www.readybetgo.com/craps/strategy/crapless-craps-1514.html