What a load of crap! Pardon the pun.

I went to one of these “seminars” in Chicago and it was just rubbish. Yes, I saw a “dice mechanic” throw and land one die on a pre-set number from about three feet.

The die landed short of their back wall which was not covered by anything. There was no “alligator” on the back wall to randomly affect the die which would have been moot because neither die made it to that point.

So, this great die setting and throwing method would be negated by any decent dice crew who inforced one of our basic procedures. They might get away with one - but that would be it before I would pass the dice on them.

The only effective dice move I ever saw was in Illinois when a team boxed in the stickman, distracted the base dealer and slid one die on a six and tossed the other. They had bet on any and every combination involving 6,6, 6,5 and 6,4.

They got away with one before their betting pattern set off alarm bells in my head. They left after winning about 6 grand.

Don’t waste your money guys

i’ve tried it and i think it helps get an edge.  it’s like a sport where some people do better than others.  i see it like this: if it makes no difference i still have not lost anything because of it.

I have mixed feelings on this.  Last night I watched a documentary “Breaking Vegas” about the Dominator and Frank Scobolette.  Seems like craps can be beaten.  I have read different books on the subject and built a practice table.  I have been practicing for months.  My throw looks good, the dice pitch perfect, but when the dice hit the back wall the dice just do what they want.

I believe the only way to consistently control the dice is if you can make every throw exactly the same and hit the exact same spot on the table and bounce exactly the same way and hit the exact same spot on the back wall every single time.  If anything is off (velocity, pitch, where they bounce, etc…) then the outcome will be less predictable.  In other words you literally need a mechanical arm that throws the exact same way every time at the same spot so the dice bounce and land the same every time.  And I don’t see how this is humanly possible.

I agree it is difficult.  I do think that maybe I would not be a “Donmiator” but if I can at least increase my number of throws before a 7 out I have improved my game.  Some of what I have read says if you can just roll at least 7 times before a 7 out a person could break even on playing the 6 and 8 place bets.

Well it may not even be that hard.  If you bet only the 6 and 8.  No matter what amount of money you wager on the 6 and 8.  Whether it be 12 dollars on both, 18 on both, or 30 on the 6 and 8.  If the shooter rolls two of your numbers, whether it be a 6 and 6, 6 and 8, 8 and 8, and you took same bet on both, then you have already not only broken even for that roll, you have profited already.  Lets say you went 12 dollars on the 6 and 8.  If the first roll was a 6 and you took same bet then you would have 14 dollars back.  The next roll was a six again and you wanted to press it because it repeated.  Then you would have 22 dollars back.  So even if you pressed one of the two hits you would only be down two dollars from your original investment.  So i would venture to say, and it obviously has to do with what numbers are rolled, but if a shooter rolls seven times, in my opinion the chances of you PROFITING fairly well is pretty good.  Even if you went 44 inside.  If the shooter rolled a 5, 6, 9, after establishing a point, and you took same bet on all three, then you would only be down two dollars from your original 44 dollar investment.  Yeah the shooter can roll 2, 3, 11, 12 ,4, 10, 3, and then 7, and pretty much miss all ur bets, but remember the inside numbers are the most frequently rolled other than the 7.  Remember to take same bet until your original investment is back in your rail before u press and you will find it is fairly easy to break even.  Just my opinion but never press until you are back to even and playing on the casinos money.  As far as dice control, I have seen the smoothest rollers go point seven several times, even after setting the v.  And i;ve seen the wildest most unnecessary throws end up rolling for 25 minutes and making people tons of money.  They dont call it a randomizer and make you hit it on every toss for no reason.  I’m indifferent about the dice control theory.  Very open minded, but still indifferent.

hello guys.  i have to say, i was a non beleive of dice control but if you can do ONE thing that will give you a better edge or advantage than other plqayers, then to me its worth it.  i have a practice rig at home and yes, i practice everydauy but i also practice different betting stragedies.  if you only bet on the 6 and 8 and hit a few, you will get your money even maybe profit, but the idea is to make money.  With practice this can be achieved with dice control.  the reason new dice controllers fail is because they get impatient and bet on random shooters.  big no no.  i only bet on my self and on those who its obvious know a thing or two about dice control.  ‘
i had my doubts but after practicing for a few weeks, i can see a change in my throwing so i will say that i beleive it works to a certain extent.
i added some videos i made on yourtube
youtube.com/user/ironwig

I too was a dice control skeptic. I knew it could be done, I just didn’t know if I (or anybody else) could actually do it.
So I started practicing and eventually, after about 30,000 practice throws, I was good.

But, I’m an engineer and a scientist. Seeming like it works vs working are two different things. So I calculated and graphed the normal distribution of roll lengths, then I throw another 10,000 practice rolls, then I graphed my roll length against the random data. The graph clearly showed that i was consistently having roll lengths of about 8% better than normal distribution.

I always practice from 8 measured feet, and always hit the back wall diamond board.

Lee
Orlando