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NO… The Don’t pass wagers have to be made on the come out roll. When the point is established, if you want to make a wager exactly like the don’t pass. Then you just simply make a don’t come bet. They are both even money, have the same odds, and get payed out the same way. Don’t come is the same as don’t pass, only it is made after the point is established and the don’t pass wager is made on the come out roll. They both win on a 2 or 3, push on a 12, and lose on a 7 or 11. I have seen some casinos where the 2 is barred instead of the 12. You can take odds on the dont come wager just the same as the dont pass wager. You do not have to have a dont pass bet in play in order to make a dont come bet. Just like you do not need a pass line wager in order to make a come bet. When you make a dont come wager, the next roll is like a come out roll for the dont come bet. If the next number thrown is a 4, then your dont come bet is now working on the 4, and the dealer will move your chips to the 4. At this time you can take odds or choose to just leave your flat bet working for even money. Your goal now is for a seven to show before the shooter rolls a 4. If that happens you win your bet, if a 4 shows before a seven, then you lose. When the shooter is coming out, you can choose to make a dont pass bet at that time. Once the shooter establishes a point, then you can lay odds on the dont pass wager or keep it as a flat bet. The dont pass bet does not get moved from the dont pass line like the dont come bets, however they do also work against which ever point number gets established. HOpe this helped
the best bet in this situation, if you were to 7 out on the point of 6 would to make a lay bet on the 6. the lay bet consists of more money to win less money plus the juice (or payment for placeing a lay bet). In all actuallity I would make the lay bet on the estiblished point of 4 or 10. the odds of repeating a 6 or 8 are greater before sevening out.
Can I make a don’t pass bet after the number has been established? Say a six rolls then can I lay down a don’t pass bet?
Some people try to do that; it is called “past posting”, and is cheating. The reason it’s not allowed is that, after the comeout roll, a don’t pass bet is favored to win, since the seven is more likely than any of the point numbers. A couple of years ago, I saw a guy do that several times at my local casino. The dealers were not “casing the table” and missed it. After he left the table, I pointed this out to the box.
The casino WILL let you make a pass bet after the point is established, and for the same reason: after the point is established, the pass is favored to lose.
After the comeout roll, i.e. when the big button says “ON”, you can still make the same kind of bets, but they are called COME and DON’T COME. It is like a “time shift” (cue science fiction music):
PASS/DON’T PASS COME/DON’T COME 2nd COME/DON’T COME
comeout, establishes point
point roll comeout, establishes point
point roll point roll comeout etc. etc.
One of the most-recommended ways of playing in books about craps is the “3-point Molly”, where a player makes a pass bet and two come bets, thereby getting three point numbers working, optionally taking odds on those numbers. It’s not for beginners, because you have to keep close track of your numbers and make sure you get paid off correctly, especially the odds.
Some people actually play something called “endless come” or “infinite come”, where they make a pass or come bet on every roll, with the idea of getting all the point numbers covered, with odds. It’s an extremely volatile way to play, subject to getting wiped out or to large winnings.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
goatcabin 09 - february 2010 021:14 pm
Some people try to do that; it is called “past posting”, and is cheating. The reason it’s not allowed is that, after the comeout roll, a don’t pass bet is favored to win, since the seven is more likely than any of the point numbers. A couple of years ago, I saw a guy do that several times at my local casino. The dealers were not “casing the table” and missed it. After he left the table, I pointed this out to the box.
I doubt that a person could repeatly “past post” at the craps table. The DON’T PASS LINE can be used as a lay bet for the point established. The way you would stack your chips would be the indication of the type of bet you were wagering.
The LAY BET on the DON’T PASS LINE would a single chip “creeped” w/ the rest of the wager on top of that single chip or evenly double stack of chips “bridged"w/ a single chip on the top.
In some casinos, for a LAY BET, you may have to pay the juice up front or some may have you pay after the payout.
goatcabin 09 - february 2010 021:14 pm
Some people try to do that; it is called “past posting”, and is cheating. The reason it’s not allowed is that, after the comeout roll, a don’t pass bet is favored to win, since the seven is more likely than any of the point numbers. A couple of years ago, I saw a guy do that several times at my local casino. The dealers were not “casing the table” and missed it. After he left the table, I pointed this out to the box.
I doubt that a person could repeatly “past post” at the craps table. The DON’T PASS LINE can be used as a lay bet for the point established. The way you would stack your chips would be the indication of the type of bet you were wagering.
Well, I saw this guy do it two, perhaps three, times at Cache Creek. The dealer on that end had her head up her *%_@&_%.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
How unfortunate for the Cashe Creek Casino. Is that a native american casino? It’s a shame that a casino would hire a person that is schooled in the game of craps; And to have that person not fully comprehend the game of craps.
I watch the The Railroad Pass Casino in Boulder City. The casino busts out new talent in their dealers quite regularly. I hate to say it, but new people can make mistakes. I may have used this to my advantage a time or two ...
I am asked quite regularly where I deal craps in LV when I’m at the tables. I must reply, “I am not a craps dealer.”
How unfortunate for the Cashe Creek Casino. Is that a native american casino? It’s a shame that a casino would hire a person that is schooled in the game of craps; And to have that person not fully comprehend the game of craps.
I watch the The Railroad Pass Casino in Boulder City. The casino busts out new talent in their dealers quite regularly. I hate to say it, but new people can make mistakes. I may have used this to my advantage a time or two ...
I started going to Cache Creek right after they first opened the craps table. The dealers were very raw, very slow. Same thing out at Colusa. The last time I went to Cache Creek, a couple months ago, the dealers were quite good. It has been several years now. I hadn’t been there in quite a while, maybe a year. They used to always be $5 minimum, but that Saturday the minimum was $10, and somebody said they had had it even higher. Maybe during the week it’s still $5. They have two tables, but usually only one is open.
They also play roulette with cards. They have two rotating decks of 38 cards, each with a color and number. They deal a card into a black square and a red square. The wheel has black and red slots; if the ball lands in a red slot, they turn the red card over, and vice versa. Like the craps, the odds and payoffs are the same.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
The LAY BET on the DON’T PASS LINE would a single chip “creeped” w/ the rest of the wager on top of that single chip or evenly double stack of chips “bridged"w/ a single chip on the top.
1. I believe the official term for setting up a wager as a single chip with the rest of the chips offset is “heeled”. On established Come bets, where the odds are offset from the possibly multi-chip flat, the odds are sometimes called “the hat”. Hence, when a shooter makes a point and then comes out with a 7, the stick will sometimes call something like, “Seven, winner, front line, save the hats,” meaning the flat part of established Come bets lose but the odds were not working by default and are to be returned to the owning player.
2. While I cannot dispute that a lay bet against the point could be bridged, I do not think any casino in which I have played would like it done that way. In fact, every such casino has bridged only a don’t pass or don’t come bet, and only when the odds pay exactly the same amount as the flat. For example, $10 flat, $15 odds no-9 could be set up as two side-by-side stacks of two red with a red on top touching both of them. (Bridging chips, the single nickel in this example, are called “the cap” by the way.) On the other hand $15 flat, $24 odds no-9 would have to be set up as one stack of three red and a second stack, heeled, of four red and four white because it pays $16.
3. Lays made against the point on the DP line are somewhat common at Foxwoods in Connecticut. There the player calls the dealer’s attention to the bet and the dealer puts a “lay” button on it.
JUST DONT PICK IT UP IF IT IS A 6 OR A 8 , OR CALL “NO ACTION” . Your giving it back to the house for nothing ! Hedge it if you dont like a 6 or 8 , win somthing !
Can I make a don’t pass bet after the number has been established? Say a six rolls then can I lay down a don’t pass bet?
Some people actually play something called “endless come” or “infinite come”, where they make a pass or come bet on every roll, with the idea of getting all the point numbers covered, with odds. It’s an extremely volatile way to play, subject to getting wiped out or to large winnings.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
An interesting variation is to play that way on the don’t side. Also, it is also alternatively called perpetual craps.
Ive seen someone place a $5 dollar dont come bet and then place whichever number it landed on with the same unit bet.. example:
$5 dollar dont come moves to the 9.. he would then place the nine for 5 dollars.. and repeat the dont come bet and continue to place whichever number the dont come landed on.
When the number which had his dont come bet on would hit, he would collect the couple bucks it would pay and continue on.. an interesting strategy
Ive seen someone place a $5 dollar dont come bet and then place whichever number it landed on with the same unit bet.. example:
$5 dollar dont come moves to the 9.. he would then place the nine for 5 dollars.. and repeat the dont come bet and continue to place whichever number the dont come landed on.
When the number which had his dont come bet on would hit, he would collect the couple bucks it would pay and continue on.. an interesting strategy
So, $10 out there on and against the 9.
9 hits - win $7, lose $5 = $2
7 hits - push
2 * 2 = 4 3 * 0 = 0 -- 4 / 5 = $.80
OTOH, the DC already has a positive expectation:
3 * 5 = 15 2 * -5 = -10 ----- +5 / 5 = +$1
Also, keep in mind that the DC bet has to get past the seriously-disadvantageous comeout roll to get to a number, after which the odds favor the DC. Placing the number damps variance, adds to expected loss, reducing the probability of coming out even or ahead.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
[quote author=“goatcabin”] 0 keep in mind that the DC bet has to get past the seriously-disadvantageous comeout roll to get to a number, after which the odds favor the DC. Placing the number damps variance, adds to expected loss, reducing the probability of coming out even or ahead.
With a large enough bankroll, a lay bet can provide a similar hedge—and for just one roll.
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