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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Dave G Ct, Oct 22, 2017.
You are trying to make a valid point to an empty suit...or in this case, empty western wear.
I probably was not being very clear
If you read some of my posts then , responses from Gargoil , De mango and others the impression that they seem to be
forwarding is the difficulty or impossibility of skill playing a part in winning at craps , these gys and others have
continually cautioned me about sharing many things I have shared
saying things like SHUT THE F----- up fro Demango
and other words of caution from some about , "Some things should never be posted on an open forum" , Then others have said the posts referring to DI
should be done on the phone or by PM
The posts by many are all over the place , one post they seem to be implying you can win then then next seems to be an effort to discourage
people from even trying
TDVegas many times has said to me , "quit talking about it , why would you want others to be able to do what you do" He has said if it were me I would keep it to myself
and never share with anyone , JUST GO DO"
They talk as tho , what I do is impossible , but yet they don't want anybody else to hear about it
sounds rather upsid down and backwards
I feel at times like they can't make a STAND ,
Their attitude seems to be , "It's all BS it can never work , but don't let other people know what you are doing"
It seem to smack of hypocrisy to me
Look, things are very simple.
Some crapsters see themselves as influencing the dice to a point of their being an advantage player.
Other crapsters will tell you this is all a crock of shit, that the game is random and there will be a lot of variability with results.
Reality MIGHT be somewhere in between.
Please post a link or point to a post... JUST ONE... where I (ME, Gargoil) not Demango or others, attempted to convey the opinion that you cannot win. Don't try and use play on words or twist words to your opinion. Just post facts.
When you give up trying to find a post (because they don't exist) then please post an apology for falsifying information about me.
The levels of skill in respect to Dice Influence runs the gamut as it does in other endeavors , from very little or no skill to very skilled
the misconception on the part of the deniers is the fact that they seem to think there is but one level , "SKILLED" and
they many times seem to be of the attitude that if it works , it always works , much like
BABE RUTH hit a home run every at bat
these threads are so pathetic, I guess some people never leave high school
James you understand that SR is of the opinion things shouldnt be discussed on a open forum since the casinos read these forums. I believe he is one of the biggest proponents of this. Have you not seen the videos posted by SR that DI doesnt work.
Edward Ky maybe you can answer the question who do we really not wanting to know the truth?
It's the only time I think moderation would work...not to limit what anyone has to say but there's no reason to start a thread like this and have it push more relevant threads to page 2.
There should be one thread...call it the "attack thread" and move all of these there.
So, what the hell is "in between" these two? Influencing the dice to the point of "break even"?
Honestly i dont really care. Your the one talking about these people wanting you to stop talking about DI. The ones that want you to stop are the ones that feel you could bring on problems for DI'S like SR and Demango. If the casinos came out and made you shoot from a cup or some other means like no setting dice. I wouldnt really care. Would just stop playing. Wouldnt bother me at all. I am lucky i suppose where i play at all the dealers are great and the people that sit the box are great. As long as you dont try and circumvent rules intentionally meaning throwing short repeadly they dont bother the shooter. Sometimes i feel like norm from cheers walk on and get greeted by name just about from everyone in the casino.
The one hilarious thing is the you guys keep referring to people that dont agree with your viewpoints is they are losers and dont know how to win and only cash in 7 dollares on 6 and 8 place bets. Its funny you can state that and try to make it out like it is a fact but yet you have never seen those people play but want to call them a loser. Just so you know you can call me a loser just like Dave and it just doesnt matter.
Relevant threads, where? Why not one thread devoted to TD Vegas, yes, we'll call it, attack TD.
It does MATTER , you keep bringing it up , The real problem most people do in fact lose and they lose to the point where they will
always be net negative unless they change something , I just offer advise , if you play and lose , you may want to learn how some people are able to win
I fail to see why you think that is bad advise
Many years ago I had a guy who worked for me who was probably 70 years old , he was unable to read , he couldn't write , he couldn't even write his name
Many times I would have to go with him to the bank to countersign his checks . After many trips to the bank , I was paying all my employees in that building one day
I had him remain behind , I handed him a blackboard on which I had written his name and told him I would give him his check when he learned to writ his name
About an hour later he came into my office and showed me he could write his name
I took him to the bank and set it up so he could open a checking account and deposit or cash his checks
Sometimes people just need a little push / advice , LTWOQ people will just keep on losing when they can't afford it
If the casino made me shoot from a cup I would try to learn to do it with skill or I would quit
Yeah so the deniers know who to attack
James Hall, you are good at evading questions when your back is against the wall. Care to reply to my post or with this be another picture from Harah's new mexico?
If some of you guys had no one to attack you would simply be talking about knitting doilies and quilting ,
you certainly don't discuss anything meaningful
You only have something to say when someone offers a little something that might help someone
your relevance is attached to the negative things you have to say relative to beating the game
They are all over every thread on this forum and you know it
I'm not going to go thru previous posts but I will certainly bring to everyone's attention any future posts that reflect the same negativity
expressed in many posts with which you have previously graced the deniers , feel assured
and that is an old game played by politicians
Good try however
My back is against the wall ?? Where do you guys come up with this recycled gooble garble , Your back is against the wall did you get that from TDVegas
and by the way I thought De Mango told you guys not to respond to me anymore
I thought I was rid of you yapping tiny do types
One post is all I ask. One proof of what you said is true. And you can't do that.
I told you the next one you post I will respond so you can see what you guys do
Just hitch up your big girl panties and stand by
I suggest that what the just-do-don't-tell crowd is cautioning against is killing the golden-egg-laying goose. I claim to be no expert in the history of card counting, but I gather that it was around long before Ken Uston went public about it on The Tonight Show, and of course the Thorpe book REALLY got the casinos' attention. Now that casinos know that card counting is a proven advantage play, and enough people are able to obtain an advantage with it, the casinos have instituted countermeasures to combat it.
The same caveat applies to DI. IMHO casinos are currently aware of players' attempts to gain an advantage through dice influencing but do not see it as a significant threat. IOW they will put up with that one player a day who can eek out a profit. But if enough players achieve a high enough level of influence to obtain an actual advantage (i.e. casino profits from craps show a perceptible decline) it's a pretty sure bet the game will be changed to defeat the technique used to gain that advantage.