http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/first-wager-first-toss-and-first-win.43077/page-5 very consistent summary numbers.
Not TD, VD. I have stated this already. Another video coming soon as a shooter. And playing with won monies... Happy New Year again
Oh VD, This system surely wasn't your spouting of an iron cross and any SEVEN strategy. Still chimpin in 2021, huh?
I never said that, but that’s exactly what TD would accuse me of saying, TD. You have so many tells it’s ridiculous Man.
Well, here it is. You can keep the do-do falling out of your pie hole. because that is what your mediocre brain is best at.
dustodawn Ya, i was in Biloxi this weekend to give Demango some help with his shot and once again, no where to be found. Excellent trip hit the crapless table at Harrahs, had rolls of 11, 8 14, 6 29 26 21 and 10, one hit on ATM the whole thing, using the LJ shot and 7 13 ,12, with the GTC shot. good start for the trip. Also hit that new electronic table at Boomtown, i liked it some ok rolls and wife wanted to move. Craps buddy also there with his wife and they stayed at Harrahs and only played at Harrahs hit several ATS but he plays 12 hours a day, an hour at a time is enough for me. Biloxi is always fun. Dicesetter PS i got no idea who Demango is so i could be at the same table and would have no idea, however i did not see any shooter with a practiced shot. We had a very good roll going, we need 1 point on the ATS and this guy rolls up and throws 15 $100 bills on the table, stopped the game cold got his money and went $100 across with $200 on the outside and what do you think happened ??????? looks could kill, that boy was in trouble
This is Barney If I remembers correctly, Demangoes says he wears when playing craps a brightly colored tie die shirt which says in big letters on it "Boner".
Since I am replying to myself according to VD, it is a betting strategy. If one played the system for the hour(54 rolls) the profit is easily over 600/hrs. DI shooters using a parlay system has been showing much larger profits. I will be posting more demos soon
DUSTADONE mind boggling , you cant play 35 hours of craps in 31/2 days and expect to win, even if you are a great shot and you play on a full tables 90% of the time you are betting on someone else. the small house advantage over and over and over will eat you alive,plus the ats $15 or $30 on every hand.... dicesetter
I don’t believe there is any system that does what you say long term. The only way to beat craps is to do what the DI’s say…de-randomize dice outcomes. That’s also a debatable issue, but if true, can work to gain an advantage over craps. A betting system cannot overcome house edge. Period. You need something else. ie, DI, cheat. Now, as far as claims that it works, it’s been tested, you’ve put in the long hours determining this AND have the “bank” to prove it to yourself…. then I give you this advice…. If it works with red chips…it works with yellow, orange or cranberry chips. Take chip denomination out of the equation. It’s merely a colored chip. The system is color blind to chip color. It has to be. It only sees chips as a piece of clay plastic…red, green yellow, etc. it’s meaningless to the eyes of a system. Now, obviously you aren’t going to start big until you are sure this “system” works…but once it does work, assuming you have done some basic math to figure out it works. Your gains (won amount) go higher and higher I would assume. Your betting limits go higher and higher. This is ALL just a reflection of WON bankroll to betting limits. $5 to $100 won $25 to $500 won So on and so forth. It doesn’t mean the system never loses or rarely loses. If I’ve banked $500,000 off my system over the long haul…do I care that I lost $10,000 on a bad Monday or Tuesday? No. I know it still works,..mathematically. It works. The system works. Eventually it will increase exponentially to max bet. That is just simple common sense, unless one does not necessarily like more money. Haven’t met him or her yet. I’m not going to get into the other issues of the casino refusing action because “you’re too good”. That’s a different animal.
tdv Agreed, every bet no matter which ones you make have a house advantage the more you make the greater is the effect of that advantage. I do think there are two ways to beat the table 1......as the thrower you have to be able to change the expected outcomes enough to change that house advantage. 2 i do think if you were good enough at charting the entire table to see any trends of that table that can be bet on....i think you could beat it. But thats way over my pay grade. Dicesetter.
Charting and seeing a shooter who you feel is skewing outcomes would be a play…but I would probably consider that dice influence. Eh, ok, charting a trend. I would still think there has to be reason if we exclude luck. The only other way would be to spot bias dice in action. You think you are conduck? The main reason I throw cold water on these systems is apparently the claim is they work over long term…but these damn guys are always only futzing with small buy ins and bets after years and years of it working. If dusty does have a system… I would simply advise him to work it out on his own but don’t use chips with denomination. Simply take a bunch of chips and mark them 1x, 5x, 20x, 100x. After his session is finished he can apply ANY denomination to each chip. He won’t know value until after he has accumulated all his chips. If the system works…it works with $5 chips or $1,000 chips. Not sure about anyone else, I prefer $1,000 chips. if he’s afraid of a higher bankroll…that higher bankroll is NOTHING more than an accumulation of money BECAUSE the system works. Do you really care if you lose $5,000 after accumulating $100,000. That’s like accumulating $10,000 and losing $500. Big deal. The system works. That’s all he should care about. The money is gravy of that.
tdv you know better than that..... the big time player that comes to the table with 10 big ones and starts $1200 across could give a shit about any system that would take hours and hours and hours and hours of planning and testing The guy that puts in those hundred and hundreds of hours is not looking to get rich, he just wants to find what is possible for himself. ON top of that, the guy that tries to bend the curve with his shot and has spent hundreds and hundreds of hours working on it knows that dice can go either way at any time and most often is a modest or moderate bet guy and understands to go out of the world you know and are comfortable in would ALWAYS LEAD TO FAILURE. Last trip i got out of my work on my shot just what i wanted, i beat the table on my shot, i dont care if it is $800 or $2800 or what ever. I felt great, and it did not take Thousands to feel great. Dicesetter
There is nothing wrong with a system play. What else are you going to do, close your eyes and throw chips on the layout? But, No, there is no system play that will win in the long run, except mine, of course.
